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What about when they killed a hit by keeping they knee on his neck while arresting him and preventing anyone from giving him care?

crooked-v 6y ago
Unfortunately, for a lot of white people, oppression isn't real until it happens to white people.
- SN76477 6y ago
  Very true.
- creddit 6y ago
  Maybe the major point they’re conveying is that in contrast to the George Floyd murder which could be construed to show isolated issues with cops, it’s unavoidable to paint with a broad brush in the Buffalo incident? But still, feel free to assume their race and prejudices because you’re morally superior or whatever.
- yyyymmddhhmmss 6y ago
  *poor people
- mythrwy 6y ago
  Here's something I found interesting. I'm not sure how it got calculated because police kill around 1,000 people a year in the US and about 300 black people a year in the US. https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793 https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793 According to this the chance of black male being killed by police (over lifetime?) is 1 in 1000. The chance of a white male being killed is 1 in 2000. The chance of a female being killed is 1 in 33000. I'm not sure what to say here. Are more men getting killed because men behave more violently (well probably)? Or are more men getting killed because of some bias?
  - komali2 6y ago
    > I'm not sure what to say here. Are more men getting killed because men behave more violently (well probably)? Or are more men getting killed because of some bias? If you're taking feedback here mine would be to avoid drawing such enormous conclusion from such a minimal, uncontextualized set of data.
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  - tartoran 6y ago
    Clearly theres a bias against men, even if they’re not violent they’re perceived as more dangerous because they’re potentially stronger. Men are also more likely to be part of a gang, women, not so much. Now add the race to the mix and black and hispanic men are very high on their radar. We’ve been hearing of racial profiling complaints for a while, for at least 15-20, it is a true thing.
    - sieabahlpark 6y ago
      Men are, on average, stronger than women. That's just how the biology worked out to have men be the original hunters. Doesn't mean women can't be strong but it's easier for a man to get stronger than a woman.
  - SamReidHughes 6y ago
    Look at the question case by case, instead of statistically. You can see that almost all are killed as a result of their own violent behavior towards police or others.
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    - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
      It appears US police kills more people than police in Russia, or is roughly on par. Most years police in UK kills zero. Do you want to compete with authoritarian states in number of deaths caused by police?
- Mirioron 6y ago
  What happened to George Floyd has happened to white people too. Tony Timpa was one such victim.[0] Another one was Joseph Hutcheson.[1] Hopefully there can finally be change in the police, so that it doesn't happen again to anyone. [0] https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/ https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/yo... [1] https://mashable.com/2015/08/31/dallas-man-dies-police https://mashable.com/2015/08/31/dallas-man-dies-police
  - StillBored 6y ago
    And since the parent is dead, I will add what I was adding there: Personally, I've claimed it has more to do with socio-economic status. So, while there are plenty of stories about well off !white guy being hassled in his own neighborhood, it happens a lot less to people wearing business attire. OTOH, poor white people get hassled at 2AM too. I had white friends in HS who were routinely stopped and searched for drugs by the police simply because they were driving back from their 2AM fast food jobs in their beater cars while cutting through the nice neighborhoods. So, the police definitely judge you and if you come across as a well off member of society your much more likely to be treated well. I've gotten pulled over for a fair number of traffic stops in the past ~20 years. Overwhelmingly I've never gotten a ticket driving a higher end vehicle with the wife/kids present. OTOH, driving the old clunker by myself, 100% hit rate.
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    - burgerzzz 6y ago
      This. I lived in a small city in Montana where 95% of the population was white. When there are no minorities police will find someone else to target, and usually it's the poor.
  - pmorici 6y ago
    Justine Damound is another one that happened right in Minneapolis recently. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond
- A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
  This statement seems unfair. It is on par with people pointing out that white people did not start to riot after their guy was killed. It does not help the conversation at all. It is unnecessary race baiting.

crooked-v 6y ago

Unfortunately, for a lot of white people, oppression isn't real until it happens to white people.

SN76477 6y ago
Very true.
creddit 6y ago
Maybe the major point they’re conveying is that in contrast to the George Floyd murder which could be construed to show isolated issues with cops, it’s unavoidable to paint with a broad brush in the Buffalo incident? But still, feel free to assume their race and prejudices because you’re morally superior or whatever.
yyyymmddhhmmss 6y ago
*poor people
mythrwy 6y ago
Here's something I found interesting. I'm not sure how it got calculated because police kill around 1,000 people a year in the US and about 300 black people a year in the US. https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793 https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793 According to this the chance of black male being killed by police (over lifetime?) is 1 in 1000. The chance of a white male being killed is 1 in 2000. The chance of a female being killed is 1 in 33000. I'm not sure what to say here. Are more men getting killed because men behave more violently (well probably)? Or are more men getting killed because of some bias?
- komali2 6y ago
  > I'm not sure what to say here. Are more men getting killed because men behave more violently (well probably)? Or are more men getting killed because of some bias? If you're taking feedback here mine would be to avoid drawing such enormous conclusion from such a minimal, uncontextualized set of data.
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- tartoran 6y ago
  Clearly theres a bias against men, even if they’re not violent they’re perceived as more dangerous because they’re potentially stronger. Men are also more likely to be part of a gang, women, not so much. Now add the race to the mix and black and hispanic men are very high on their radar. We’ve been hearing of racial profiling complaints for a while, for at least 15-20, it is a true thing.
  - sieabahlpark 6y ago
    Men are, on average, stronger than women. That's just how the biology worked out to have men be the original hunters. Doesn't mean women can't be strong but it's easier for a man to get stronger than a woman.
- SamReidHughes 6y ago
  Look at the question case by case, instead of statistically. You can see that almost all are killed as a result of their own violent behavior towards police or others.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
    It appears US police kills more people than police in Russia, or is roughly on par. Most years police in UK kills zero. Do you want to compete with authoritarian states in number of deaths caused by police?
Mirioron 6y ago
What happened to George Floyd has happened to white people too. Tony Timpa was one such victim.[0] Another one was Joseph Hutcheson.[1] Hopefully there can finally be change in the police, so that it doesn't happen again to anyone. [0] https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/ https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/yo... [1] https://mashable.com/2015/08/31/dallas-man-dies-police https://mashable.com/2015/08/31/dallas-man-dies-police
- StillBored 6y ago
  And since the parent is dead, I will add what I was adding there: Personally, I've claimed it has more to do with socio-economic status. So, while there are plenty of stories about well off !white guy being hassled in his own neighborhood, it happens a lot less to people wearing business attire. OTOH, poor white people get hassled at 2AM too. I had white friends in HS who were routinely stopped and searched for drugs by the police simply because they were driving back from their 2AM fast food jobs in their beater cars while cutting through the nice neighborhoods. So, the police definitely judge you and if you come across as a well off member of society your much more likely to be treated well. I've gotten pulled over for a fair number of traffic stops in the past ~20 years. Overwhelmingly I've never gotten a ticket driving a higher end vehicle with the wife/kids present. OTOH, driving the old clunker by myself, 100% hit rate.
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  - burgerzzz 6y ago
    This. I lived in a small city in Montana where 95% of the population was white. When there are no minorities police will find someone else to target, and usually it's the poor.
- pmorici 6y ago
  Justine Damound is another one that happened right in Minneapolis recently. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Justine_Damond
A4ET8a8uTh0 6y ago
This statement seems unfair. It is on par with people pointing out that white people did not start to riot after their guy was killed. It does not help the conversation at all. It is unnecessary race baiting.