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Are you ready to double the pay of police? If you wanted to go through a lot of training and be held to high standards, you'd probably look for a more lucrative

by jonfw 6y ago

Are you ready to double the pay of police? If you wanted to go through a lot of training and be held to high standards, you'd probably look for a more lucrative gig than being a cop

Ididntdothis 6y ago
If that’s what’s needed to attract reasonable people into the police then so be it. If we aren’t willing to pay for proper training and supervision then we have the police force we deserve.
- craftinator 6y ago
  Being a police officer is a very high paying job for someone without an education. With overtime, the average pay in many departments is over $100k. For people without an education, who get a massive amount of job perks. The problem is that the job has too much power, which attracts violent, power hungry individuals. Take away their power, and you'll have a police force that desires to make their community a better place.
  - Ididntdothis 6y ago
    So we don’t even need to to pay more. Just better management, training and accountability.
    - craftinator 6y ago
      I agree with this! I have a hard time wanting to pay the police force more, because it not only attracts those who are overachievers, it attracts people who see it as the easiest way to make the most money. Why get an engineering degree or a business degree when I can just be a cop, carry a cool gun, and not have to pay speeding tickets? I think accountability is the single most needed thing; qualified immunity corrupts those qualified by it's protection.
loudmax 6y ago
> Are you ready to double the pay of police? Yes, absolutely! Raise police pay, along spending money on police training. Then hold those officers to high standards. This is absolutely the way forward. This certainly entails raising taxes, which makes better policing difficult to implement when one of the two major political parties is religiously opposed to taxation.
camgunz 6y ago
Not only am I willing to double it (or more), I'm willing to drastically reduce their duties. We ask far too much of police officers in the US, we need to respect their wellbeing and start addressing root causes of issues. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RtnQ2GqBeg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RtnQ2GqBeg [2]: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/killing-of-george-floyd-shows-our-over-reliance-on-police.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/killing-of-george-fl... [3]: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/06/03/457251670/how-much-do-we-need-the-police https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/06/03/457251670...
- Ididntdothis 6y ago
  Very true. Especially the petty drug arrests they have to do are poisoning relationships between cops and citizens.
- jonfw 6y ago
  I 100% agree with this. When you criminalize behavior that is very common, you very naturally create conflict
heavyset_go 6y ago
Cops are often the highest paid employees on municipal and state governments' payrolls. For example, in NJ, the median pay for a cop is $105k[1] before factoring in overtime, benefits or bonuses. It's a lucrative gig. In NYC, the NYPD runs commercials advertising full benefits, competitive compensation and only having to work for 20 years before being able to retire with a pension. [1] https://www.nj.com/news/2017/05/how_much_is_the_median_cop_salary_in_your_town.html https://www.nj.com/news/2017/05/how_much_is_the_median_cop_s...

by jonfw 6y ago

Are you ready to double the pay of police? If you wanted to go through a lot of training and be held to high standards, you'd probably look for a more lucrative gig than being a cop

Ididntdothis 6y ago

If that’s what’s needed to attract reasonable people into the police then so be it. If we aren’t willing to pay for proper training and supervision then we have the police force we deserve.

craftinator 6y ago
Being a police officer is a very high paying job for someone without an education. With overtime, the average pay in many departments is over $100k. For people without an education, who get a massive amount of job perks. The problem is that the job has too much power, which attracts violent, power hungry individuals. Take away their power, and you'll have a police force that desires to make their community a better place.
- Ididntdothis 6y ago
  So we don’t even need to to pay more. Just better management, training and accountability.
  - craftinator 6y ago
    I agree with this! I have a hard time wanting to pay the police force more, because it not only attracts those who are overachievers, it attracts people who see it as the easiest way to make the most money. Why get an engineering degree or a business degree when I can just be a cop, carry a cool gun, and not have to pay speeding tickets? I think accountability is the single most needed thing; qualified immunity corrupts those qualified by it's protection.

loudmax 6y ago

> Are you ready to double the pay of police? Yes, absolutely! Raise police pay, along spending money on police training. Then hold those officers to high standards. This is absolutely the way forward. This certainly entails raising taxes, which makes better policing difficult to implement when one of the two major political parties is religiously opposed to taxation.

camgunz 6y ago

Not only am I willing to double it (or more), I'm willing to drastically reduce their duties. We ask far too much of police officers in the US, we need to respect their wellbeing and start addressing root causes of issues. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RtnQ2GqBeg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RtnQ2GqBeg [2]: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/killing-of-george-floyd-shows-our-over-reliance-on-police.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/06/killing-of-george-fl... [3]: https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/06/03/457251670/how-much-do-we-need-the-police https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/06/03/457251670...

Ididntdothis 6y ago
Very true. Especially the petty drug arrests they have to do are poisoning relationships between cops and citizens.
jonfw 6y ago
I 100% agree with this. When you criminalize behavior that is very common, you very naturally create conflict

heavyset_go 6y ago

Cops are often the highest paid employees on municipal and state governments' payrolls. For example, in NJ, the median pay for a cop is $105k[1] before factoring in overtime, benefits or bonuses. It's a lucrative gig. In NYC, the NYPD runs commercials advertising full benefits, competitive compensation and only having to work for 20 years before being able to retire with a pension. [1] https://www.nj.com/news/2017/05/how_much_is_the_median_cop_salary_in_your_town.html https://www.nj.com/news/2017/05/how_much_is_the_median_cop_s...