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We are not. You’re free to throw away another year of your life cooped up indoors because of a miniscule (for most people) risk that is not going anywhere, but
by guscost 6y ago
We are not. You’re free to throw away another year of your life cooped up indoors because of a miniscule (for most people) risk that is not going anywhere, but most people will choose otherwise.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y agoOh yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm very aware of that. But I think a lot of smart people aren't, and I think that's affecting their predictions of how quickly the economy will open up.
- mdjfbrodn 6y agoAnother year? You know how to tell time right; it is taught in grade school. It’s been _three_ months. It’ll be a “miniscule risk” until it’s your family member dying. Go jump off a bridge.
- nkozyra 6y agoIt seems unfair to characterize anyone's response this way ("cooped up," "throw away"). People have adjusted to situations that are not ideal. People will have different comfort levels over time, and they will attempt to reconcile those two things. To imply that a life without Sunday brunch is somehow lesser or worse is myopic.
- guscost 6y ago> To imply that a life without Sunday brunch is somehow lesser or worse is myopic. It is worse. Claiming otherwise would be arguing that immunocompromised, sedentary, etc folks are just as privileged as myself.
- nkozyra 6y agoIs it worse, or is it different? Life is what you make of it. I don't have a yacht or box seats at Yankee Stadium and don't think my life would be appreciably better if I did. Ultimately people are making compromises and finding ways to live within them. People do this every day, with or without pandemics.
- skciva 6y agoI'm somewhere in the middle, have understood the risks are mostly not for my demographic, and have gone outside to do things like get coffee / exercise almost every day since lockdown began. Even then I'm aware we're still completely in the dark of what long term effects this might have. Do you have any worries about that? That along with the viral load research makes me pause when people are itching to just get "back to normal."
- guscost 6y ago> Even then I'm aware we're still completely in the dark of what long term effects this might have. Do you have any worries about that? Nope. I don't have time for (what I see as) irrational paranoia. I've judged the risk to be small enough where if that happens to me, it's OK.
- mrfusion 6y agoAgreed. I think there’s a virtue signaling downvoter going through here.
- mrfusion 6y agoIt’s in the same family as cold viruses. There’s no reason a healthy person won’t recover. If you’re at risk and get in ICU there could be long term issues but that’s a small risk for healthy people.
- ethbro 6y agoRealistically appraising risks, there are 3 reasons for limiting activity: 1) You're in a high-risk demographic: 70+, have health problems, lack access to high-level health care facilities. 2) You interact with people who are in high-risk demographics: nursing home staff, service industry where your customers are elderly, medical staff. 3) You want to support broader transmission mitigation. Mask-everwhere is the most obvious action here, but limiting high-risk activities helps too. It's easy to forget that tragedy of the commons also means opportunity for the individual. Some of us, despite not being in (1) or (2), feel good about doing what we individually can to avoid another broad lockdown. Decreasing R_t through personal choices is going to be a big component of the aggregate number.
- guscost 6y agoMy honest reaction to this is fury, but let me instead only say that we do not agree about what is best for the commons, and I will never allow you to coerce me into going along with your plan.
- nkozyra 6y agoI read the parent comment like four times and did not see any hint of coercion. It is expressed as a personal approach.
- guscost 6y agoJust being candid, in case anyone is under the delusion that it might be worth trying.
- ethbro 6y agoMy personal decisions require neither your cooperation nor consent. I do what I do to mitigate the spread, not because I expect you to do the same, but because it's what I feel is right. Let no man pull you low enough to hate him.
- guscost 6y ago
- DataWorker 6y agoEspecially in a culture that puts the individual and his “needs” above those of the larger group. But why should the public good be a consideration?
- guscost 6y agoWe do not agree about what is best for the commons. You are constructing a straw monster, but the opposition is largely operating in good faith.