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> So you probably have people from 4chan/Anonymous who are for the protestors.. and people from 4chan/Anonymous who are against it. 4 Chan for the protesters?

• vorpalhex 6y ago
  FBI field office in Washington stated that they had no intelligence currently that Antifa was involved.. in the Washington area.. as of the 3rd of June, with the caveat that it was early and they were still looking at facts and investigating. Yes, I read that headline too. It's important to read more than just the headline.
  • takeda 6y ago
    if they didn't have evidence as of 3rd of June, then where does trump accusation come from, did he pulled it from where sun doesn't shine? He picked an organization out of thin air, accused it of being responsible for looting and riots, even announced that they will be classified as a terrorist organization without ANY evidence? It doesn't look like something that should be happening in a free country. It is especially dangerous, since because antifa isn't a real organization anyone could be labeled as being from antifa and wouldn't have any way to defend themselves.
    • vorpalhex 6y ago
      There's a whole lot going on here, so I'm going to unpack this in a few different points. 1. Anytime someone (especially a politician) suggests something both incendiary and unlikely (putting a domestic organization on the foreign terrorism org list), the goal is the same as a stage magician making a joke - it's to distract you. The correct question then to ask is what are you being distracted from. 2. It's hard to say Antifa isn't involved when they stated they are attending. As you say, they are not a monolithic organization but neither are white supremacists or most street gangs - we don't have a problem holding them accountable. Antifa does have a specific ideology based on pre-emptive violence, and they do have ideological founders and a history of violence. 3. Regardless of who you think may be responsible, this is a good point to realize that it's not smart to be associated with violent groups. They don't have the monopoly on use of force (that would be the state[^1] by definition) and therefore they'll eventually attempt to use violence, get noticed and get dismantled one way or another. Usually that process isn't peaceful when both sides are committed to violence, and there's a reason the state tends to win. As I often point out with software, theory is great but reality tends to be something else. When your claim to fame is that you show up and commit acts of violence against people you don't like, well, you've sort of signed up to be blamed when you attend a rally and acts of violence start happening. [^1]: The state here should be taken to mean the organized government as a singular entity