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While I don't disagree with the conclusion, I really wish he would not fly off the handle like this all the time. I seem to recall that he promised to stop this

While I don't disagree with the conclusion, I really wish he would not fly off the handle like this all the time. I seem to recall that he promised to stop this sort of behavior.

pensatoio 6y ago
Seemed pretty tame to me.
- dangoljames 6y ago
  ...for Linus anyway heh.
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qayxc 6y ago
His tone is perfectly OK, he isn't attacking anybody and simply expresses what he thinks is wrong with the patch. In addition he also ends with: I'm more than happy to be educated on why I'm wrong, but for now I'm unpulling it for lack of data. I see nothing wrong with his reply, he's making his points without insulting anyone and is very composed compared to some reactions he had in the past.
dntbnmpls 6y ago
I wish people would stop mischaracterizing statements to push an agenda. Nowhere did he "fly off the handle". If you are so sensitive that his statement felt that harsh, perhaps the internet is not the place for you. Or toughen up for pete's sake.
- happytoexplain 6y ago
  This is such an awful, hyperbolic reaction to the parent post, it's disheartening to see it on HN. Maybe the parent post is overstating - but "perhaps the internet is not the place for you"? "If you are so sensitive?" "Toughen up"? "push an agenda"?? Honestly: Holy shit.
- uberman 6y ago
  This article is not newsworthy because Linus commented on some submission but because of the way he commented. Oh, I'm _soo_ special and pretty and such a delicate flower, that I want to flush the L1D on every task switch I'll flush the L1 at context switch" is beyond stupid. Those are not the words of a wisened leader attempting to explain why allowing user space cache eviction is probably not a great idea but some flippant jerk attempting bully his viewpoint by calling other ideas and by proxy submitters stupid. Linus himself has recognized this behavior is inappropriate and pledged to "get help" https://www.theregister.com/2018/09/17/linus_torvalds_linux_apology_break/ https://www.theregister.com/2018/09/17/linus_torvalds_linux_... I certainly respect his accomplishments, but just as certainly I don't condone his behavior. Further I feel his rants tell other savants that acting like jerks is perfectly acceptable and just part of open source contributions. I always find his defenders to be a puzzle. So many believe and champion the cause of open source yet also condone and champion behavior that drives contributors away. As a champion of open source you should want to cultivate more contributors but our community is filled with those that emulate his unacceptable behavior. Your comment instructing me to toughen up perfectly illustrates why his behavior is contagiously inappropriate. Thanks
  - ComputerGuru 6y ago
    It’s hyperbole. He didn’t attack anyone by name. He definitely wasn’t singling you (or any other HN reader) out. It’s fine.
    - zeroimpl 6y ago
      FWIW, if I wrote this patch and worked at AWS, I might not want to go to work the next day. While it’s not as bad as other criticisms, there is still plenty of room for improvement to establish a more professional work environment.
      - wilt 6y ago
        Looks like a case of looking for things to be offended by to me. I also should remind you Linus is head of a opensource project not a corporate division so he has no need to act "professional" at all.
ikiris 6y ago
He is nowhere near flying off the handle here. You should take a step back and reexamine how you view communication from others and where you set expectations of thought process and culture matching your own.
- uberman 6y ago
  Any code review that included the argument: "Oh, I'm _soo_ special and pretty and such a delicate flower, that I want to flush the L1D on every task switch" Is completely inappropriate. If you feel like that is somehow appropriate in a review then it is you who need to "step back and reexamine how you view communication from others and where you set expectations of thought process and culture matching your own".
  - treden 6y ago
    I'd rather work with someone who makes good (or even bad) jokes about my code in reviews than a humorless bore who spends all their time policing everyone's appropriateness according to his own stodgy cultural standards.
    - happytoexplain 6y ago
      Why not neither? Why not a person within the normal range of emotional intelligence, rather than either a humorless policer or an antagonistic smart person? Why are you defending his tone with such hostility?
      - treden 6y ago
        The belief that one can or should judge another person (ie, on the normalness of their emotional intelligence) is quite boring, and is particularly annoying in coworkers. It is by definition fun to work with people who joke around, if one starts with thick skin, an open mind, and the confidence to occasionally be the butt of the joke.
- kthejoker2 6y ago

While I don't disagree with the conclusion, I really wish he would not fly off the handle like this all the time. I seem to recall that he promised to stop this sort of behavior.

pensatoio 6y ago

Seemed pretty tame to me.

dangoljames 6y ago
...for Linus anyway heh.

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qayxc 6y ago

His tone is perfectly OK, he isn't attacking anybody and simply expresses what he thinks is wrong with the patch. In addition he also ends with: I'm more than happy to be educated on why I'm wrong, but for now I'm unpulling it for lack of data. I see nothing wrong with his reply, he's making his points without insulting anyone and is very composed compared to some reactions he had in the past.

dntbnmpls 6y ago

I wish people would stop mischaracterizing statements to push an agenda. Nowhere did he "fly off the handle". If you are so sensitive that his statement felt that harsh, perhaps the internet is not the place for you. Or toughen up for pete's sake.

happytoexplain 6y ago
This is such an awful, hyperbolic reaction to the parent post, it's disheartening to see it on HN. Maybe the parent post is overstating - but "perhaps the internet is not the place for you"? "If you are so sensitive?" "Toughen up"? "push an agenda"?? Honestly: Holy shit.
uberman 6y ago
This article is not newsworthy because Linus commented on some submission but because of the way he commented. Oh, I'm _soo_ special and pretty and such a delicate flower, that I want to flush the L1D on every task switch I'll flush the L1 at context switch" is beyond stupid. Those are not the words of a wisened leader attempting to explain why allowing user space cache eviction is probably not a great idea but some flippant jerk attempting bully his viewpoint by calling other ideas and by proxy submitters stupid. Linus himself has recognized this behavior is inappropriate and pledged to "get help" https://www.theregister.com/2018/09/17/linus_torvalds_linux_apology_break/ https://www.theregister.com/2018/09/17/linus_torvalds_linux_... I certainly respect his accomplishments, but just as certainly I don't condone his behavior. Further I feel his rants tell other savants that acting like jerks is perfectly acceptable and just part of open source contributions. I always find his defenders to be a puzzle. So many believe and champion the cause of open source yet also condone and champion behavior that drives contributors away. As a champion of open source you should want to cultivate more contributors but our community is filled with those that emulate his unacceptable behavior. Your comment instructing me to toughen up perfectly illustrates why his behavior is contagiously inappropriate. Thanks
- ComputerGuru 6y ago
  It’s hyperbole. He didn’t attack anyone by name. He definitely wasn’t singling you (or any other HN reader) out. It’s fine.
  - zeroimpl 6y ago
    FWIW, if I wrote this patch and worked at AWS, I might not want to go to work the next day. While it’s not as bad as other criticisms, there is still plenty of room for improvement to establish a more professional work environment.
    - wilt 6y ago
      Looks like a case of looking for things to be offended by to me. I also should remind you Linus is head of a opensource project not a corporate division so he has no need to act "professional" at all.

ikiris 6y ago

He is nowhere near flying off the handle here. You should take a step back and reexamine how you view communication from others and where you set expectations of thought process and culture matching your own.

uberman 6y ago
Any code review that included the argument: "Oh, I'm _soo_ special and pretty and such a delicate flower, that I want to flush the L1D on every task switch" Is completely inappropriate. If you feel like that is somehow appropriate in a review then it is you who need to "step back and reexamine how you view communication from others and where you set expectations of thought process and culture matching your own".
- treden 6y ago
  I'd rather work with someone who makes good (or even bad) jokes about my code in reviews than a humorless bore who spends all their time policing everyone's appropriateness according to his own stodgy cultural standards.
  - happytoexplain 6y ago
    Why not neither? Why not a person within the normal range of emotional intelligence, rather than either a humorless policer or an antagonistic smart person? Why are you defending his tone with such hostility?
    - treden 6y ago
      The belief that one can or should judge another person (ie, on the normalness of their emotional intelligence) is quite boring, and is particularly annoying in coworkers. It is by definition fun to work with people who joke around, if one starts with thick skin, an open mind, and the confidence to occasionally be the butt of the joke.
kthejoker2 6y ago