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I didn't write I don't like it, mostly think being more neutral and removing political statements might be better. As for the Police, that was one guy. What pe

by nicc 6y ago

I didn't write I don't like it, mostly think being more neutral and removing political statements might be better. As for the Police, that was one guy. What percentage of cops kill innocent people, vs. save you from the bad guys (I was saved by cops twice, for instance). Also looks like the guy is going to be held at a higher standard and will get a harsh punishment. Is looting and burning down stores that in many cases represent people's life savings the correct way to solve the problem? As you see, we could be talking about your chat, and we're talking about violence and depressing things like a store owner saving money for 20 years only to see it burn down by Antifa.

Garlef 6y ago
I think it is easy to misread the implied context of your statement as protestors = looters = antifa. Which is of course not true. These are three seperate groups of people and the only subset relation that holds true (using a definition of `protestors` as simply participants) is protestors > looters. And I guess they constitute only a small percentage. Additionally: Not everyone who would signify themselves as part of the antifa is a looter and not every looter is part of the antifa. I would not jump to any conlusion about the ratios `looters/(antifa looters)` and `antifa/(antifa looters)`. (Note: They are not inverse). Overall, my impression is that the antifa plays only a minor role and was mostly brought up by T. to derail the public discussion.
- nicc 6y ago
  I hope it's Antifa (a terrorist organization), and not regular kids that go out and beat up old ladies.
  - ReactiveJelly 6y ago
    Are they organized? Are they able to kick people out? They have an official communications channel to take credit for the crimes they commit, and disown crimes they don't want to be associated with?
    - nicc 6y ago
      I don't know, but I've seen what they do, so if this can force cities to arrest them and make punishmenta harsher, it's most welcome.
    - deleted 6y ago
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  - brokensegue 6y ago
    antifa has not been designated as a terrorist organization. it's not even an organization (but an umbrella term for lots of loosely collected organizations).
    - nicc 6y ago
      I thought it was, the other day?
      - brokensegue 6y ago
        a good rule of thumb is that most things Trump says are false.
    - cameronbrown 6y ago
      Those sound like cells to me.
abiogenesis 6y ago
> What percentage of cops kill innocent people, vs. save you from the bad guys Pretty low I suppose. The point is, we should take every precaution to keep the former as low as possible, preferably zero. The people are not seeing this effort at the moment.
- nicc 6y ago
  So, you beat up old ladies and burn stores to do that? I don't think anyone wants police killing people, but this is crazy and useless. Also, was there not a pandemic where people were being chased eith drones to social distance? What happened to that?
  - imtringued 6y ago
    From what I have seen it's the cops that are beating up old ladies.
  - abiogenesis 6y ago
    What percentage of protesters beat up old ladies and burn stores, vs. just peacefully protest?
nathannecro 6y ago
I'm not one to touch politics, but wearing a mask is absolutely not a political statement. It's a sentiment that has been politicized, but the scientific argument for wearing a mask is very strong. See the study published in Nature (1), or recommendations from reputable medical institutions like the Cleveland Clinic (2) and the Mayo Clinic (3) for better explanations than I could give. I own several businesses in the hospitality and service sector and every single one of my employees are required to wear a mask for the protection of themselves and our guests. It's absolutely ridiculous that something as easy as wearing a mask is suddenly, "The Worst Thing in the World" and/or, "The Most Uncomfortable Thing I've Ever Done". I have awful seasonal allergies and asthma and when I'm at the office or out and about in public, I will wear my surgical mask the entire time. The only time my mask is off is when I'm in my car or at home. I just can't get past the entitlement that some people have when they can't be bothered with sacrificing a tiny little bit of personal comfort to help slow the spread of a pandemic. 1: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2 2: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/heres-how-wearing-a-cloth-mask-helps-fight-the-spread-of-coronavirus/ https://health.clevelandclinic.org/heres-how-wearing-a-cloth... 3: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/i... /rantover I apologize, but I'm just shocked. I expect better from my fellow HNers. Also, It's not entirely clear to me if you don't believe in wearing masks or if you're just making the comment that a mask is a political object (and by extension, websites should not display politically charged images). Either way, your comments in this thread have really thrown me for a loop.

by nicc 6y ago

Garlef 6y ago

I think it is easy to misread the implied context of your statement as protestors = looters = antifa. Which is of course not true. These are three seperate groups of people and the only subset relation that holds true (using a definition of `protestors` as simply participants) is protestors > looters. And I guess they constitute only a small percentage. Additionally: Not everyone who would signify themselves as part of the antifa is a looter and not every looter is part of the antifa. I would not jump to any conlusion about the ratios `looters/(antifa looters)` and `antifa/(antifa looters)`. (Note: They are not inverse). Overall, my impression is that the antifa plays only a minor role and was mostly brought up by T. to derail the public discussion.

nicc 6y ago
I hope it's Antifa (a terrorist organization), and not regular kids that go out and beat up old ladies.
- ReactiveJelly 6y ago
  Are they organized? Are they able to kick people out? They have an official communications channel to take credit for the crimes they commit, and disown crimes they don't want to be associated with?
  - nicc 6y ago
    I don't know, but I've seen what they do, so if this can force cities to arrest them and make punishmenta harsher, it's most welcome.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
- brokensegue 6y ago
  antifa has not been designated as a terrorist organization. it's not even an organization (but an umbrella term for lots of loosely collected organizations).
  - nicc 6y ago
    I thought it was, the other day?
    - brokensegue 6y ago
      a good rule of thumb is that most things Trump says are false.
  - cameronbrown 6y ago
    Those sound like cells to me.

abiogenesis 6y ago

> What percentage of cops kill innocent people, vs. save you from the bad guys Pretty low I suppose. The point is, we should take every precaution to keep the former as low as possible, preferably zero. The people are not seeing this effort at the moment.

nicc 6y ago
So, you beat up old ladies and burn stores to do that? I don't think anyone wants police killing people, but this is crazy and useless. Also, was there not a pandemic where people were being chased eith drones to social distance? What happened to that?
- imtringued 6y ago
  From what I have seen it's the cops that are beating up old ladies.
- abiogenesis 6y ago
  What percentage of protesters beat up old ladies and burn stores, vs. just peacefully protest?

nathannecro 6y ago

I'm not one to touch politics, but wearing a mask is absolutely not a political statement. It's a sentiment that has been politicized, but the scientific argument for wearing a mask is very strong. See the study published in Nature (1), or recommendations from reputable medical institutions like the Cleveland Clinic (2) and the Mayo Clinic (3) for better explanations than I could give. I own several businesses in the hospitality and service sector and every single one of my employees are required to wear a mask for the protection of themselves and our guests. It's absolutely ridiculous that something as easy as wearing a mask is suddenly, "The Worst Thing in the World" and/or, "The Most Uncomfortable Thing I've Ever Done". I have awful seasonal allergies and asthma and when I'm at the office or out and about in public, I will wear my surgical mask the entire time. The only time my mask is off is when I'm in my car or at home. I just can't get past the entitlement that some people have when they can't be bothered with sacrificing a tiny little bit of personal comfort to help slow the spread of a pandemic. 1: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2 2: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/heres-how-wearing-a-cloth-mask-helps-fight-the-spread-of-coronavirus/ https://health.clevelandclinic.org/heres-how-wearing-a-cloth... 3: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/i... /rantover I apologize, but I'm just shocked. I expect better from my fellow HNers. Also, It's not entirely clear to me if you don't believe in wearing masks or if you're just making the comment that a mask is a political object (and by extension, websites should not display politically charged images). Either way, your comments in this thread have really thrown me for a loop.