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Gives out pretty negative feelings to me. A sad emojii with a face mask is pretty depressing, and even worse if you see the mask as political. Black lives mat

by nicc 6y ago

Gives out pretty negative feelings to me. A sad emojii with a face mask is pretty depressing, and even worse if you see the mask as political. Black lives matter is destroying cities across the USA. I'm sure it's just me, but I wonder if anyone else sees this?

feross 6y ago
Sorry that you don't like it. Can't please everyone. Lots of people have told me they've had fun meeting new people from around the world. Regarding the hashtag, I put it there because I'm against police brutality and I'm horrified by what the police are doing. Looters should be arrested and prosecuted, for sure. But police have a monopoly on the use of violence and must be held to a higher standard.
- nicc 6y ago
  I didn't write I don't like it, mostly think being more neutral and removing political statements might be better. As for the Police, that was one guy. What percentage of cops kill innocent people, vs. save you from the bad guys (I was saved by cops twice, for instance). Also looks like the guy is going to be held at a higher standard and will get a harsh punishment. Is looting and burning down stores that in many cases represent people's life savings the correct way to solve the problem? As you see, we could be talking about your chat, and we're talking about violence and depressing things like a store owner saving money for 20 years only to see it burn down by Antifa.
  - Garlef 6y ago
    I think it is easy to misread the implied context of your statement as protestors = looters = antifa. Which is of course not true. These are three seperate groups of people and the only subset relation that holds true (using a definition of `protestors` as simply participants) is protestors > looters. And I guess they constitute only a small percentage. Additionally: Not everyone who would signify themselves as part of the antifa is a looter and not every looter is part of the antifa. I would not jump to any conlusion about the ratios `looters/(antifa looters)` and `antifa/(antifa looters)`. (Note: They are not inverse). Overall, my impression is that the antifa plays only a minor role and was mostly brought up by T. to derail the public discussion.
    - nicc 6y ago
      I hope it's Antifa (a terrorist organization), and not regular kids that go out and beat up old ladies.
      - ReactiveJelly 6y ago
        Are they organized? Are they able to kick people out? They have an official communications channel to take credit for the crimes they commit, and disown crimes they don't want to be associated with?
        nicc 6y ago
        I don't know, but I've seen what they do, so if this can force cities to arrest them and make punishmenta harsher, it's most welcome.
        deleted 6y ago
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      - brokensegue 6y ago
        antifa has not been designated as a terrorist organization. it's not even an organization (but an umbrella term for lots of loosely collected organizations).
        nicc 6y ago
        I thought it was, the other day?
        brokensegue 6y ago
        a good rule of thumb is that most things Trump says are false.
        cameronbrown 6y ago
        Those sound like cells to me.
  - abiogenesis 6y ago
    > What percentage of cops kill innocent people, vs. save you from the bad guys Pretty low I suppose. The point is, we should take every precaution to keep the former as low as possible, preferably zero. The people are not seeing this effort at the moment.
    - nicc 6y ago
      So, you beat up old ladies and burn stores to do that? I don't think anyone wants police killing people, but this is crazy and useless. Also, was there not a pandemic where people were being chased eith drones to social distance? What happened to that?
      - imtringued 6y ago
        From what I have seen it's the cops that are beating up old ladies.
      - abiogenesis 6y ago
        What percentage of protesters beat up old ladies and burn stores, vs. just peacefully protest?
  - nathannecro 6y ago
    I'm not one to touch politics, but wearing a mask is absolutely not a political statement. It's a sentiment that has been politicized, but the scientific argument for wearing a mask is very strong. See the study published in Nature (1), or recommendations from reputable medical institutions like the Cleveland Clinic (2) and the Mayo Clinic (3) for better explanations than I could give. I own several businesses in the hospitality and service sector and every single one of my employees are required to wear a mask for the protection of themselves and our guests. It's absolutely ridiculous that something as easy as wearing a mask is suddenly, "The Worst Thing in the World" and/or, "The Most Uncomfortable Thing I've Ever Done". I have awful seasonal allergies and asthma and when I'm at the office or out and about in public, I will wear my surgical mask the entire time. The only time my mask is off is when I'm in my car or at home. I just can't get past the entitlement that some people have when they can't be bothered with sacrificing a tiny little bit of personal comfort to help slow the spread of a pandemic. 1: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2 2: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/heres-how-wearing-a-cloth-mask-helps-fight-the-spread-of-coronavirus/ https://health.clevelandclinic.org/heres-how-wearing-a-cloth... 3: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/i... /rantover I apologize, but I'm just shocked. I expect better from my fellow HNers. Also, It's not entirely clear to me if you don't believe in wearing masks or if you're just making the comment that a mask is a political object (and by extension, websites should not display politically charged images). Either way, your comments in this thread have really thrown me for a loop.
- wendyshu 6y ago
  Anti-brutality is unifying, racial victimhood is controversial. For effectiveness focus on the former, for tribal signaling focus on the latter.
dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
> Black lives matter is destroying cities across the USA. I don't think anyone has a good solution to that. Many people have been very angry for years and they feel the need to express that. It doesn't really matter if the owners of shops are white or black at this point. If you try to block this anger, the result will be even more anger. So I think the policemen who kneel, hug, kiss the shoes etc. are doing the right thing - trying to minimize losses. And it's hard to stop because there is no good leader like MLK who can positively channel the emotions and actually present some feasible proposal that could be implemented.
- nicc 6y ago
  All true.
stbtrax 6y ago
>Black lives matter is destroying cities across the USA. You're right in that there is unfortunately some damage being caused to property, with some of those not having large corporate backings or insurance to recover from it. It's apparent that there are some opportunists using the protests as cover, or that this is a misguided small fraction of people protesting. If we're talking about what is destroying our cities, this is a small blip. We have a opioid crisis, thousands of people routinely going bankrupt not being able to afford healthcare, and a government that stacks the odds against the working-class in favor of the rich. Corporations are getting more powerful and there is a greater wealth disparity than ever before. If anything that is what is destroying our cities and this is some minor symptom of it.
ReactiveJelly 6y ago
How do you propose a hashtag should enforce authority on who is allowed to use it? I'm asking because I need that magic for veganism and atheism. I need to disown a few people.
scollet 6y ago
If you are being genuine, I would ask you to reconsider your viewpoints. Talk to a BLM leader and learn about racial targeting in law enforcement. When a few LEOs are malicious, then there is no reason to implicitly trust any LEO. Donald Trump has led his administration with a playbook of blatant lies and propaganda. Antifa stands for anti-fascist. Why would you be pro-fascist?

by nicc 6y ago

feross 6y ago

Sorry that you don't like it. Can't please everyone. Lots of people have told me they've had fun meeting new people from around the world. Regarding the hashtag, I put it there because I'm against police brutality and I'm horrified by what the police are doing. Looters should be arrested and prosecuted, for sure. But police have a monopoly on the use of violence and must be held to a higher standard.

nicc 6y ago
I didn't write I don't like it, mostly think being more neutral and removing political statements might be better. As for the Police, that was one guy. What percentage of cops kill innocent people, vs. save you from the bad guys (I was saved by cops twice, for instance). Also looks like the guy is going to be held at a higher standard and will get a harsh punishment. Is looting and burning down stores that in many cases represent people's life savings the correct way to solve the problem? As you see, we could be talking about your chat, and we're talking about violence and depressing things like a store owner saving money for 20 years only to see it burn down by Antifa.
- Garlef 6y ago
  I think it is easy to misread the implied context of your statement as protestors = looters = antifa. Which is of course not true. These are three seperate groups of people and the only subset relation that holds true (using a definition of `protestors` as simply participants) is protestors > looters. And I guess they constitute only a small percentage. Additionally: Not everyone who would signify themselves as part of the antifa is a looter and not every looter is part of the antifa. I would not jump to any conlusion about the ratios `looters/(antifa looters)` and `antifa/(antifa looters)`. (Note: They are not inverse). Overall, my impression is that the antifa plays only a minor role and was mostly brought up by T. to derail the public discussion.
  - nicc 6y ago
    I hope it's Antifa (a terrorist organization), and not regular kids that go out and beat up old ladies.
    - ReactiveJelly 6y ago
      Are they organized? Are they able to kick people out? They have an official communications channel to take credit for the crimes they commit, and disown crimes they don't want to be associated with?
      - nicc 6y ago
        I don't know, but I've seen what they do, so if this can force cities to arrest them and make punishmenta harsher, it's most welcome.
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
    - brokensegue 6y ago
      antifa has not been designated as a terrorist organization. it's not even an organization (but an umbrella term for lots of loosely collected organizations).
      - nicc 6y ago
        I thought it was, the other day?
        brokensegue 6y ago
        a good rule of thumb is that most things Trump says are false.
      - cameronbrown 6y ago
        Those sound like cells to me.
- abiogenesis 6y ago
  > What percentage of cops kill innocent people, vs. save you from the bad guys Pretty low I suppose. The point is, we should take every precaution to keep the former as low as possible, preferably zero. The people are not seeing this effort at the moment.
  - nicc 6y ago
    So, you beat up old ladies and burn stores to do that? I don't think anyone wants police killing people, but this is crazy and useless. Also, was there not a pandemic where people were being chased eith drones to social distance? What happened to that?
    - imtringued 6y ago
      From what I have seen it's the cops that are beating up old ladies.
    - abiogenesis 6y ago
      What percentage of protesters beat up old ladies and burn stores, vs. just peacefully protest?
- nathannecro 6y ago
  I'm not one to touch politics, but wearing a mask is absolutely not a political statement. It's a sentiment that has been politicized, but the scientific argument for wearing a mask is very strong. See the study published in Nature (1), or recommendations from reputable medical institutions like the Cleveland Clinic (2) and the Mayo Clinic (3) for better explanations than I could give. I own several businesses in the hospitality and service sector and every single one of my employees are required to wear a mask for the protection of themselves and our guests. It's absolutely ridiculous that something as easy as wearing a mask is suddenly, "The Worst Thing in the World" and/or, "The Most Uncomfortable Thing I've Ever Done". I have awful seasonal allergies and asthma and when I'm at the office or out and about in public, I will wear my surgical mask the entire time. The only time my mask is off is when I'm in my car or at home. I just can't get past the entitlement that some people have when they can't be bothered with sacrificing a tiny little bit of personal comfort to help slow the spread of a pandemic. 1: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2 2: https://health.clevelandclinic.org/heres-how-wearing-a-cloth-mask-helps-fight-the-spread-of-coronavirus/ https://health.clevelandclinic.org/heres-how-wearing-a-cloth... 3: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/i... /rantover I apologize, but I'm just shocked. I expect better from my fellow HNers. Also, It's not entirely clear to me if you don't believe in wearing masks or if you're just making the comment that a mask is a political object (and by extension, websites should not display politically charged images). Either way, your comments in this thread have really thrown me for a loop.
wendyshu 6y ago
Anti-brutality is unifying, racial victimhood is controversial. For effectiveness focus on the former, for tribal signaling focus on the latter.

dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago

> Black lives matter is destroying cities across the USA. I don't think anyone has a good solution to that. Many people have been very angry for years and they feel the need to express that. It doesn't really matter if the owners of shops are white or black at this point. If you try to block this anger, the result will be even more anger. So I think the policemen who kneel, hug, kiss the shoes etc. are doing the right thing - trying to minimize losses. And it's hard to stop because there is no good leader like MLK who can positively channel the emotions and actually present some feasible proposal that could be implemented.

nicc 6y ago
All true.

stbtrax 6y ago

>Black lives matter is destroying cities across the USA. You're right in that there is unfortunately some damage being caused to property, with some of those not having large corporate backings or insurance to recover from it. It's apparent that there are some opportunists using the protests as cover, or that this is a misguided small fraction of people protesting. If we're talking about what is destroying our cities, this is a small blip. We have a opioid crisis, thousands of people routinely going bankrupt not being able to afford healthcare, and a government that stacks the odds against the working-class in favor of the rich. Corporations are getting more powerful and there is a greater wealth disparity than ever before. If anything that is what is destroying our cities and this is some minor symptom of it.

ReactiveJelly 6y ago

How do you propose a hashtag should enforce authority on who is allowed to use it? I'm asking because I need that magic for veganism and atheism. I need to disown a few people.

scollet 6y ago

If you are being genuine, I would ask you to reconsider your viewpoints. Talk to a BLM leader and learn about racial targeting in law enforcement. When a few LEOs are malicious, then there is no reason to implicitly trust any LEO. Donald Trump has led his administration with a playbook of blatant lies and propaganda. Antifa stands for anti-fascist. Why would you be pro-fascist?