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That's what you get when you are a MITM-by-design solution. In short: Zoom E2EE eventually will encrypt corporate conferences, but will not solve the privacy p

That's what you get when you are a MITM-by-design solution. In short: Zoom E2EE eventually will encrypt corporate conferences, but will not solve the privacy problems they have, because their structure stills the same. Seems it will be a feature just to make customers have the feeling they are safe (and pay more, indeed). But, as usual, they are not. Poor Keybase.

sneak 6y ago
Keybase got acquihired, which is a much better outcome for both founders and investors than that which befalls most startups that never invent a viable revenue model. Don’t shed any tears for anyone making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year while a third of the US has approximately zero income.
- jmiserez 6y ago
  I'm certainly sad to see a company that took security seriously and "did it right" being bought by a company that arguably did not and got large mostly by trading security for convenience, even going as far as saying they were E2EE when they were actually not [1]. How do you compete with that? Most users don't care about security/privacy and maybe that's fine but it was nice to see a company that seemed to genuinely care about these things. [1] going by the commonly used definition
  - sneak 6y ago
    Not touching for a moment whether or not Keybase “did it right”, but, very simply: without a good revenue model, their only other option was to eventually go out of business. They were default-dead, near as I can tell from outside looking in. You can do all the open source e2e crypto trendiness you like, but unless you’re a nonprofit like Signal that can generate a stream of donations, if you don’t eventually get people to pay you for the service, you’re not going to be able to stick around. This was the best possible outcome for them, given the circumstances.
jokoon 6y ago
Skype was safe before it got acquired by microsoft. I a way, any platform that is able to evade government surveillance will be deemed as an exception, and anyone using or building such platform will be a suspect.

sneak 6y ago

Keybase got acquihired, which is a much better outcome for both founders and investors than that which befalls most startups that never invent a viable revenue model. Don’t shed any tears for anyone making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year while a third of the US has approximately zero income.

jmiserez 6y ago
I'm certainly sad to see a company that took security seriously and "did it right" being bought by a company that arguably did not and got large mostly by trading security for convenience, even going as far as saying they were E2EE when they were actually not [1]. How do you compete with that? Most users don't care about security/privacy and maybe that's fine but it was nice to see a company that seemed to genuinely care about these things. [1] going by the commonly used definition
- sneak 6y ago
  Not touching for a moment whether or not Keybase “did it right”, but, very simply: without a good revenue model, their only other option was to eventually go out of business. They were default-dead, near as I can tell from outside looking in. You can do all the open source e2e crypto trendiness you like, but unless you’re a nonprofit like Signal that can generate a stream of donations, if you don’t eventually get people to pay you for the service, you’re not going to be able to stick around. This was the best possible outcome for them, given the circumstances.

jokoon 6y ago

Skype was safe before it got acquired by microsoft. I a way, any platform that is able to evade government surveillance will be deemed as an exception, and anyone using or building such platform will be a suspect.