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Disclaimer: China national working for the American company behind Android; opinions are my own. > But if Huawei is a Chinese spy Has Huawei been caught with

by bgee 6y ago

Disclaimer: China national working for the American company behind Android; opinions are my own. > But if Huawei is a Chinese spy Has Huawei been caught with a smoking gun? Is Huawei worse in terms of security compared to other telecom suppliers? If (national) security is really Canada's top priority, it seems the most needed ban is on American consumer products/websites [0]? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)

Scoundreller 6y ago
> Has Huawei been caught with a smoking gun? If govs knew, they wouldn't publish it to avoid straining already strained relationships. But would do behind-the-scenes work to keep Huawei out of critical infrastructure. Edit: the risk may be theoretical, but we know all equipment can be bugged. Not a terrible decision to be bugged by a close ally. Canada is happy to share data with USA and vice-versa. Perhaps gov should fear USA more, but currently they don't.
- bgee 6y ago
  > If govs knew, they wouldn't publish it to avoid straining already strained relationships. But would do behind-the-scenes work to keep Huawei out of critical infrastructure. I don't follow; the Western world has put sanctions on China in the past [0], I don't think they would avoid straining their relationships with China in a situation like this. > Canada is happy to share data with USA and vice-versa. I don't think sharing is the same as being spied on... Or you mean Canada and America are sharing the information obtained via spying? That would make sense. [0]: https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/opinions/tiananmen-sanctions-us-china-trade-caster-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/opinions/tiananmen-sanctions-...
  - Scoundreller 6y ago
    > I don't follow; the Western world has put sanctions on China in the past [0], I don't think they would avoid straining their relationships with China in a situation like this. Those weren't economic sanctions, but focussed ones. And against a much less economically-important China. If China cutoff a country in '89, whatever. In '20, uh oh. The US already strong-armed Canada into arresting Huawei's CFO/founder's daughter. Things are a bit strained at the moment.
    - slantyyz 6y ago
      >> Those weren't economic sanctions, but focussed ones. And against a much less economically-important China The lifting of some of those sanctions probably helped China become as economically-important as they are now. I remember buying computer hardware in the 80s and 90s. There was always a threatening information slip or page in the box that warned about penalties against export of the technology to countries like China. And now? Most of that export-controlled stuff is produced there.
frequentnapper 6y ago
As a Canadian, we have shared values and programmes between our nations in addition to us being neighbours. China on the other hand is a known enemy of those values and seeks actively to undermine our values. That's enough reason for me to support not having Huawei or any other chinese organization controlling any part of our infrastructure.
- slantyyz 6y ago
  Absolutely. When the PM had to explain to China that our judicial system operates independently from government (as it relates to the Huawei exec's extradition to the US), it was funny and sad at the same time.
kortilla 6y ago
Canada generally shares the same views on democracy as the US; and, more importantly, is part of the same intelligence alliance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
- piiswrong 6y ago
  > and, more importantly, is part of the same intelligence alliance that's exactly why you shouldn't use American network equipment. The Canadian government cannot spy on Canadian citizens due to legal restriction. So instead it tells the CIA to spy on you and then share what they learnt through the intelligence alliance.
  - kortilla 6y ago
    Evidence of parallel construction that direction doesn’t seem to exist much. Even if that were the case, that’s still preferable to the Canadian government because it’s at their request. If China is doing it, it’s just a black box of blackmail collection and IP theft.
threeseed 6y ago
1) Canada is part of the Five Eyes intelligence sharing program so they likely already have access to PRISM data. 2) US is a democracy with an independent judiciary and media. China is not.
theklub 6y ago
There are plenty of other reasons not to do business with China. Spying is just the tip of the iceberg.
theklub 6y ago
You can’t really have an opinion since if you say something bad about China you’ll go to jail.

by bgee 6y ago

Scoundreller 6y ago

> Has Huawei been caught with a smoking gun? If govs knew, they wouldn't publish it to avoid straining already strained relationships. But would do behind-the-scenes work to keep Huawei out of critical infrastructure. Edit: the risk may be theoretical, but we know all equipment can be bugged. Not a terrible decision to be bugged by a close ally. Canada is happy to share data with USA and vice-versa. Perhaps gov should fear USA more, but currently they don't.

bgee 6y ago
> If govs knew, they wouldn't publish it to avoid straining already strained relationships. But would do behind-the-scenes work to keep Huawei out of critical infrastructure. I don't follow; the Western world has put sanctions on China in the past [0], I don't think they would avoid straining their relationships with China in a situation like this. > Canada is happy to share data with USA and vice-versa. I don't think sharing is the same as being spied on... Or you mean Canada and America are sharing the information obtained via spying? That would make sense. [0]: https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/opinions/tiananmen-sanctions-us-china-trade-caster-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/opinions/tiananmen-sanctions-...
- Scoundreller 6y ago
  > I don't follow; the Western world has put sanctions on China in the past [0], I don't think they would avoid straining their relationships with China in a situation like this. Those weren't economic sanctions, but focussed ones. And against a much less economically-important China. If China cutoff a country in '89, whatever. In '20, uh oh. The US already strong-armed Canada into arresting Huawei's CFO/founder's daughter. Things are a bit strained at the moment.
  - slantyyz 6y ago
    >> Those weren't economic sanctions, but focussed ones. And against a much less economically-important China The lifting of some of those sanctions probably helped China become as economically-important as they are now. I remember buying computer hardware in the 80s and 90s. There was always a threatening information slip or page in the box that warned about penalties against export of the technology to countries like China. And now? Most of that export-controlled stuff is produced there.

frequentnapper 6y ago

As a Canadian, we have shared values and programmes between our nations in addition to us being neighbours. China on the other hand is a known enemy of those values and seeks actively to undermine our values. That's enough reason for me to support not having Huawei or any other chinese organization controlling any part of our infrastructure.

slantyyz 6y ago
Absolutely. When the PM had to explain to China that our judicial system operates independently from government (as it relates to the Huawei exec's extradition to the US), it was funny and sad at the same time.

kortilla 6y ago

Canada generally shares the same views on democracy as the US; and, more importantly, is part of the same intelligence alliance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

piiswrong 6y ago
> and, more importantly, is part of the same intelligence alliance that's exactly why you shouldn't use American network equipment. The Canadian government cannot spy on Canadian citizens due to legal restriction. So instead it tells the CIA to spy on you and then share what they learnt through the intelligence alliance.
- kortilla 6y ago
  Evidence of parallel construction that direction doesn’t seem to exist much. Even if that were the case, that’s still preferable to the Canadian government because it’s at their request. If China is doing it, it’s just a black box of blackmail collection and IP theft.

threeseed 6y ago

1) Canada is part of the Five Eyes intelligence sharing program so they likely already have access to PRISM data. 2) US is a democracy with an independent judiciary and media. China is not.

theklub 6y ago

There are plenty of other reasons not to do business with China. Spying is just the tip of the iceberg.

theklub 6y ago

You can’t really have an opinion since if you say something bad about China you’ll go to jail.