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has anyone had to hear their crazy relatives go on about the dangers of 5G? Is there some penultimate youtube video or resource to point people to to assuage th

has anyone had to hear their crazy relatives go on about the dangers of 5G? Is there some penultimate youtube video or resource to point people to to assuage their fears?

spaceisballer 6y ago
People talk about it on social media. I have yet to encounter anyone in the wild mentioning it. It’s just one of those things that a small minority latch on to and the internet gives them a loudspeaker.
yabones 6y ago
ElectroBoom has a great video that goes in depth about the electromagnetic spectrum, what 'Ionizing Radiation' is, and how EM interacts with humans, and is entertaining enough to keep you watching. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4pxw4tYeCU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4pxw4tYeCU
MattGaiser 6y ago
A friend has some great stories of some relatives purchasing these lined coats for when it is rolled out.
- bzb3 6y ago
  Lined coats? More info about this, please? Sounds funny.
  - MattGaiser 6y ago
    These people see 5G as this set of radioactive beams which is between the tower and the phone. Radiation causes cancer and vomiting as far as their information (HBO’s Chernobyl) is concerned. They see the solution in the clothing of the liquidators from that rooftop scene, i.e. those thick black gowns of lead lining. They want coats instead though as the gowns look too poor for them. They are looking to purchase such a thing for themselves to walk around in. I take it they missed the part about it being 70 lbs.
    - supernova87a 6y ago
      I would imagine the lead in the clothing poses more of a threat to their health than the radio waves.
      - jotm 6y ago
        Yeah, copper or aluminum would work just as well, if not better :D
Lammy 6y ago
You probably shouldn't call people "crazy" if you hope to ever bring them around to your viewpoint.
- MattGaiser 6y ago
  Does anyone hope that at this point?
- Cyph0n 6y ago
  It’s not a viewpoint, it’s a fact. Important difference.
  - Lammy 6y ago
    The 'crazies' seem to do an okay job sharing the reality they perceive. Don't limit yourself with a belief that only one viewpoint on a given topic is The One Truth™. A person's sincere belief in something is what that makes that thing true.
    - Cyph0n 6y ago
      I’m not “limiting” myself at all. I simply don’t care enough to waste my time. Arguing with flat earthers gets tiring very quickly.
    - mthoms 6y ago
      I agreed when you said you shouldn't call people crazy. But this... >A person's sincere belief in something is what that makes that thing true. ...is dangerous B.S. As they saying goes — People are entitled to their own opinions, they aren't entitled to their own facts.
      - Lammy 6y ago
        Yeah, I get it. But then you have to define 'fact', and as far as I can tell the only thing that makes something factual is when enough people share the same opinion about it.
mycall 6y ago
I thought it was going to affect weather satellites or something.
adventured 6y ago
I spent many hours arguing with a smart friend about this. I was unable to find any argument to get her to stop believing 5G is boiling/damaging/altering people's blood with "high powered energy waves" or similar (the blood clot revelations have only amplified that conspiracy angle). I find a commonality among most conspiracy theory people is vast ignorance of the topic in question and any underlying science. This isn't always true, however I've found it to be frequently true. They watch YouTube or Facebook videos on a conspiracy, someone states an incorrect thing that is held up as being scientifically correct; the conspiracy minded person has no idea it's wrong because of their ignorance of science, and their eagerness to consume conspiracies prevents them from being willing to do proper research. They buy in with no skepticism. Often the conversation would end on a variation of: when the pandemic is gone, and 5G is still here, then what happens to your conspiracy? They had no reply, the future risk of being wrong didn't matter, only the mental juice of the conspiracy here and now. Or: what about locations where there is no 5G and people are still widely getting the virus? No answer. Or: why is this event so interesting as to warrant outlandish conspiracy theories, versus the pandemics of 1957 or 1968 or 1918, which were not caused by 5G? Or: why didn't 4G kill everyone, despite the absurd conspiracy theories about that as well? It usually does no good, they ignore the premise because that's in the past, they're all about the conspiracy now (it's the only place they can mentally hide, because the conspiracy going on now is usually still open-ended, yet to be crushed fully). The conspiracy they're latched on to in the present is interesting because all big events are interesting to the conspiracy brain. Particularly big active events. Once an event is disproven, they usually instantly forget it ever existed or that they were ever wrong, and move on to the latest thing occupying the news or culture that is worthy of conspiracy theories (it typically has to be a major event or their brains won't latch onto it). I'm convinced at this point in my life, after decades of arguing with conspiracy-minded types, that it's a mis-wiring or imbalance in the brain that tilts people aggressively toward being prone to falling for conspiracy theories. They also seem to need the rush of it (which again makes me wonder about an imbalance in their brains). The way they behave intellectually is incredibly similar; when you get inside their way of thinking via long discussions, you start to see weirdly repeating patterns of thinking, traps, failures of logic, and so on. I find that people prone to it, can't seem to help themselves, they swallow conspiracy theories widely about numerous topics and rarely are capable of intellectual skepticism. It almost strikes me as an illness in how they seem hostage to it, and sort of reminds me of drug addicts I've known. Like arguing with a helpless zombie that can't alter their behavior under any circumstances, no matter what evidence they're presented with.
aembleton 6y ago
No, but I have had a discussion with someone on the next door social network (for discussing with neighbours). I was trying to understand their objections to 5G, and it boiled down to them conflating frequency and power. So, when they heard 26GHz, that meant 26 times more power than 1GHz. The higher frequencies are what scare them, even though they are less than visible light.
bagacrap 6y ago
I don't know what you meant by "penultimate", perhaps indisputable? But if you don't know of such a resource, how are you so convinced they're wrong? Margarine (with its trans fats) was declared healthy and safe for a long time, until it wasn't.

has anyone had to hear their crazy relatives go on about the dangers of 5G? Is there some penultimate youtube video or resource to point people to to assuage their fears?

spaceisballer 6y ago

People talk about it on social media. I have yet to encounter anyone in the wild mentioning it. It’s just one of those things that a small minority latch on to and the internet gives them a loudspeaker.

yabones 6y ago

ElectroBoom has a great video that goes in depth about the electromagnetic spectrum, what 'Ionizing Radiation' is, and how EM interacts with humans, and is entertaining enough to keep you watching. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4pxw4tYeCU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4pxw4tYeCU

MattGaiser 6y ago

A friend has some great stories of some relatives purchasing these lined coats for when it is rolled out.

bzb3 6y ago
Lined coats? More info about this, please? Sounds funny.
- MattGaiser 6y ago
  These people see 5G as this set of radioactive beams which is between the tower and the phone. Radiation causes cancer and vomiting as far as their information (HBO’s Chernobyl) is concerned. They see the solution in the clothing of the liquidators from that rooftop scene, i.e. those thick black gowns of lead lining. They want coats instead though as the gowns look too poor for them. They are looking to purchase such a thing for themselves to walk around in. I take it they missed the part about it being 70 lbs.
  - supernova87a 6y ago
    I would imagine the lead in the clothing poses more of a threat to their health than the radio waves.
    - jotm 6y ago
      Yeah, copper or aluminum would work just as well, if not better :D

Lammy 6y ago

You probably shouldn't call people "crazy" if you hope to ever bring them around to your viewpoint.

MattGaiser 6y ago
Does anyone hope that at this point?
Cyph0n 6y ago
It’s not a viewpoint, it’s a fact. Important difference.
- Lammy 6y ago
  The 'crazies' seem to do an okay job sharing the reality they perceive. Don't limit yourself with a belief that only one viewpoint on a given topic is The One Truth™. A person's sincere belief in something is what that makes that thing true.
  - Cyph0n 6y ago
    I’m not “limiting” myself at all. I simply don’t care enough to waste my time. Arguing with flat earthers gets tiring very quickly.
  - mthoms 6y ago
    I agreed when you said you shouldn't call people crazy. But this... >A person's sincere belief in something is what that makes that thing true. ...is dangerous B.S. As they saying goes — People are entitled to their own opinions, they aren't entitled to their own facts.
    - Lammy 6y ago
      Yeah, I get it. But then you have to define 'fact', and as far as I can tell the only thing that makes something factual is when enough people share the same opinion about it.

mycall 6y ago

I thought it was going to affect weather satellites or something.

adventured 6y ago

I spent many hours arguing with a smart friend about this. I was unable to find any argument to get her to stop believing 5G is boiling/damaging/altering people's blood with "high powered energy waves" or similar (the blood clot revelations have only amplified that conspiracy angle). I find a commonality among most conspiracy theory people is vast ignorance of the topic in question and any underlying science. This isn't always true, however I've found it to be frequently true. They watch YouTube or Facebook videos on a conspiracy, someone states an incorrect thing that is held up as being scientifically correct; the conspiracy minded person has no idea it's wrong because of their ignorance of science, and their eagerness to consume conspiracies prevents them from being willing to do proper research. They buy in with no skepticism. Often the conversation would end on a variation of: when the pandemic is gone, and 5G is still here, then what happens to your conspiracy? They had no reply, the future risk of being wrong didn't matter, only the mental juice of the conspiracy here and now. Or: what about locations where there is no 5G and people are still widely getting the virus? No answer. Or: why is this event so interesting as to warrant outlandish conspiracy theories, versus the pandemics of 1957 or 1968 or 1918, which were not caused by 5G? Or: why didn't 4G kill everyone, despite the absurd conspiracy theories about that as well? It usually does no good, they ignore the premise because that's in the past, they're all about the conspiracy now (it's the only place they can mentally hide, because the conspiracy going on now is usually still open-ended, yet to be crushed fully). The conspiracy they're latched on to in the present is interesting because all big events are interesting to the conspiracy brain. Particularly big active events. Once an event is disproven, they usually instantly forget it ever existed or that they were ever wrong, and move on to the latest thing occupying the news or culture that is worthy of conspiracy theories (it typically has to be a major event or their brains won't latch onto it). I'm convinced at this point in my life, after decades of arguing with conspiracy-minded types, that it's a mis-wiring or imbalance in the brain that tilts people aggressively toward being prone to falling for conspiracy theories. They also seem to need the rush of it (which again makes me wonder about an imbalance in their brains). The way they behave intellectually is incredibly similar; when you get inside their way of thinking via long discussions, you start to see weirdly repeating patterns of thinking, traps, failures of logic, and so on. I find that people prone to it, can't seem to help themselves, they swallow conspiracy theories widely about numerous topics and rarely are capable of intellectual skepticism. It almost strikes me as an illness in how they seem hostage to it, and sort of reminds me of drug addicts I've known. Like arguing with a helpless zombie that can't alter their behavior under any circumstances, no matter what evidence they're presented with.

aembleton 6y ago

No, but I have had a discussion with someone on the next door social network (for discussing with neighbours). I was trying to understand their objections to 5G, and it boiled down to them conflating frequency and power. So, when they heard 26GHz, that meant 26 times more power than 1GHz. The higher frequencies are what scare them, even though they are less than visible light.

bagacrap 6y ago

I don't know what you meant by "penultimate", perhaps indisputable? But if you don't know of such a resource, how are you so convinced they're wrong? Margarine (with its trans fats) was declared healthy and safe for a long time, until it wasn't.