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His explanation feels disingenuous in the context of his other tweets, his "you have to dominate" statements, and the use of the military the past few days. Tr

His explanation feels disingenuous in the context of his other tweets, his "you have to dominate" statements, and the use of the military the past few days. Trump has continued to escalate things, and while I hope that it doesn't lead to shooting, it feels plausible that Trump would threaten people with "thats where things are heading!" (The origins of the of the "looting leads to shooting" statement should also speak for itself. I know Trump claims ignorance of that statement, but there are reasons to doubt that as well.)

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Recent polling suggests a majority of Americans would like to see the military used, so this isn't exactly a fringe call to violence. And it doesn't split along many of the fault lines you might expect either; 48% of Democrats and 37% of African-Americans are on board. (https://assets.morningconsult.com/wp-uploads/2020/06/01181629/2005131_crosstabs_POLICE_RVs_FINAL_LM-1.pdf https://assets.morningconsult.com/wp-uploads/2020/06/0118162...)
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  That's the most frightening thing I've heard in this entire mess. The rule against the military intervening in domestic affairs is hugely important. We can't afford to lose that in the heat of the moment.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    Do remember that the military was deployed to quell domestic riots as recently as 1992. It's a big failure if we end up having to do it, but it's not an unprecedented nor unrecoverable one.
    - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
      If the state wants it, I have no problem with it. If the state doesn't want it, though, and Trump says "You're getting them anyway, because you're out of control", well, that's quite different.
      - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
        Completely agreed.
99_00 6y ago
Do you agree that public officals can clarify comments that are misinterpreted and that we should take that clarification at face value. Or do you think that all public officials should be held to the first impression of their statement forever?
- IvyMike 6y ago
  Neither--the binary proposition is ridiculous. Public officials can clarify comments, but I reserve the right to consider them in the context of their wider statements and actions. It seems silly not to.
  - 99_00 6y ago
    To me, it sounds like people are quitting their jobs because they think they can read other people's minds.
    - caseysoftware 6y ago
      If so, they can make WAY more money doing other things. Professional poker player comes to mind but you still need the self control to act or not act accordingly. High stakes contract negotiation like working for professional athlete's agents could be good. Advisor for divorce attorneys is not glamorous but would pay well. I think all the mind readers and people who "knew that was going to happen!" should take advantage of their skills and understanding.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

Recent polling suggests a majority of Americans would like to see the military used, so this isn't exactly a fringe call to violence. And it doesn't split along many of the fault lines you might expect either; 48% of Democrats and 37% of African-Americans are on board. (https://assets.morningconsult.com/wp-uploads/2020/06/01181629/2005131_crosstabs_POLICE_RVs_FINAL_LM-1.pdf https://assets.morningconsult.com/wp-uploads/2020/06/0118162...)

AnimalMuppet 6y ago
That's the most frightening thing I've heard in this entire mess. The rule against the military intervening in domestic affairs is hugely important. We can't afford to lose that in the heat of the moment.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  Do remember that the military was deployed to quell domestic riots as recently as 1992. It's a big failure if we end up having to do it, but it's not an unprecedented nor unrecoverable one.
  - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
    If the state wants it, I have no problem with it. If the state doesn't want it, though, and Trump says "You're getting them anyway, because you're out of control", well, that's quite different.
    - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
      Completely agreed.

99_00 6y ago

Do you agree that public officals can clarify comments that are misinterpreted and that we should take that clarification at face value. Or do you think that all public officials should be held to the first impression of their statement forever?

IvyMike 6y ago
Neither--the binary proposition is ridiculous. Public officials can clarify comments, but I reserve the right to consider them in the context of their wider statements and actions. It seems silly not to.
- 99_00 6y ago
  To me, it sounds like people are quitting their jobs because they think they can read other people's minds.
  - caseysoftware 6y ago
    If so, they can make WAY more money doing other things. Professional poker player comes to mind but you still need the self control to act or not act accordingly. High stakes contract negotiation like working for professional athlete's agents could be good. Advisor for divorce attorneys is not glamorous but would pay well. I think all the mind readers and people who "knew that was going to happen!" should take advantage of their skills and understanding.