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You're assuming most cops support Trump?

Trasmatta 6y ago
Most cops don't have to support Trump. Just the ones attacking journalists.
Loughla 6y ago
Yes. It's anecdotal at best, but all of the 6 cops I know have either "Trump 2020" or "Trump No More Bullshit" or (my personal favorite) "Trump Making Liberals Cry Since 2016" flags flying above the US flag at their homes. My baseline assumption is a vast majority of police/sheriffs/troopers support Trump. Is this incorrect?
- InvaderFizz 6y ago
  My assumption is that the political affiliation of police officers will largely match the ratio of the area. Majority blue areas will see more Democrat police, majority red (rural) will see more Republican sheriffs. This is born out by the data I was able to find, but I can't vouch for the veracity: http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/ http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/ Sheriffs and State Troopers are very majority Republican, police are barely majority Democrat. I suspect that if we had individual data per region, the affiliation would track with the local politics, maybe with +2 R across the board, or something like that.
- at-fates-hands 6y ago
  >> "Trump Making Liberals Cry Since 2016" flags flying above the US flag at their homes. I'm having a hard time understanding why this is wrong? EDIT: "Meh, I'm not going to try and explain it, I'll just downvote it." Bravo. B R A V O.
  - macintux 6y ago
    Ignoring the antisocial aspects of the wording, the U.S. flag code indicates the national flag should always be the highest in a display. “When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyard with the flag of the United States, the latter should always be at the peak. When the flags are flown from adjacent staffs, the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last. No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the United States flag’s right.” https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/7 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/7
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  - mwigdahl 6y ago
    He didn't say it was wrong, just that it was evidence that they are Trump supporters. But it is wrong, nonetheless -- it violates 4 U.S. Code § 7(c).
  - colejohnson66 6y ago
    The irony that you’re missing is that many conservatives hold the flag to a very high standard. Standing on it, not pledging allegiance, etc. are wrong in their eyes. Look no further that Collin Kaepernick when he took a knee at the NFL. Then you have those same people (the “rule of law” people) turn around and ignore the Flag Code (never mind it not being enforceable) is quite ironic.
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hrishid 6y ago
Given how certain kinds of rhetoric from the political left demonizes police offers, it seems likely that many of them have found a home on the right.
- watwut 6y ago
  Then again, if being cop attracts far right, then left is bound to notice, comment on it and hate them.
- tw000001 6y ago
  This is something people are severely underestimating. If you slander and dehumanize 40-60% of the population with accusations of white supremacy, you're going to create a white supremacist movement where one did not previously exist.
  - staticassertion 6y ago
    White supremacist infiltration of police organizations goes back a long time. Blaming the much more recent attention that people are paying to white supremacy for the movement itself is absurd. "You called me a white supremacist so now I am one" is nonsense. The FBI warned of white supremacist infiltration of police forces over a decade ago.
  - bobwaycott 6y ago
    That’s not how white supremacy works. More importantly, the history of US policing is firmly rooted in white supremacy.
  - AaronFriel 6y ago
    I would like to believe that people have more personal agency than that, and that in fact, calling someone or their actions white supremacist does not make them such and instead causes them to reflect on what caused the accusation. If merely calling someone or their actions white supremacist makes them suddenly start self-identifying as a white supremacist and they don't see a problem with that, maybe the original accusation wasn't that wrong?
  - 6y ago
morelisp 6y ago
For this to happen, all you need is one cop to "support Trump", and most cops to support cops before anyone else.
supercanuck 6y ago
Police Union Leaders are usually found at Trump Rallys EDIT: Ok, downvoted for inductive reasoning, here is data point. https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1267883609886728193?s=21 https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1267883609886728193...
Someone1234 6y ago
We don't have to assume police told us themselves they do: https://www.policemag.com/342098/the-2016-police-presidential-poll https://www.policemag.com/342098/the-2016-police-presidentia...
squarefoot 6y ago
Cops, like many other corps wearing uniforms and carrying guns are very often -not always but very often- aligned with the right. I've direct experiences having worked with them, also have a close relative who taught at the police school confirming it. Not in the US, but I would be extremely surprised if it didn't work the same over there. The mindset is what matters. So it's not that a cop embraces right wing ideals but rather the other way around: it's a job looked for by many people who feel the need to wear an uniform and carry a gun (exercise power, dominate others, there are lots of psychological implications). I'd say that also the cops who expressed respect for George Floyd might be Trump Supporters, although they don't agree with their colleagues violent methods.

Most cops don't have to support Trump. Just the ones attacking journalists.

Yes. It's anecdotal at best, but all of the 6 cops I know have either "Trump 2020" or "Trump No More Bullshit" or (my personal favorite) "Trump Making Liberals Cry Since 2016" flags flying above the US flag at their homes. My baseline assumption is a vast majority of police/sheriffs/troopers support Trump. Is this incorrect?

InvaderFizz 6y ago
My assumption is that the political affiliation of police officers will largely match the ratio of the area. Majority blue areas will see more Democrat police, majority red (rural) will see more Republican sheriffs. This is born out by the data I was able to find, but I can't vouch for the veracity: http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/ http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/ Sheriffs and State Troopers are very majority Republican, police are barely majority Democrat. I suspect that if we had individual data per region, the affiliation would track with the local politics, maybe with +2 R across the board, or something like that.
at-fates-hands 6y ago
>> "Trump Making Liberals Cry Since 2016" flags flying above the US flag at their homes. I'm having a hard time understanding why this is wrong? EDIT: "Meh, I'm not going to try and explain it, I'll just downvote it." Bravo. B R A V O.
- macintux 6y ago
  Ignoring the antisocial aspects of the wording, the U.S. flag code indicates the national flag should always be the highest in a display. “When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyard with the flag of the United States, the latter should always be at the peak. When the flags are flown from adjacent staffs, the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last. No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the United States flag’s right.” https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/7 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/7
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- mwigdahl 6y ago
  He didn't say it was wrong, just that it was evidence that they are Trump supporters. But it is wrong, nonetheless -- it violates 4 U.S. Code § 7(c).
- colejohnson66 6y ago
  The irony that you’re missing is that many conservatives hold the flag to a very high standard. Standing on it, not pledging allegiance, etc. are wrong in their eyes. Look no further that Collin Kaepernick when he took a knee at the NFL. Then you have those same people (the “rule of law” people) turn around and ignore the Flag Code (never mind it not being enforceable) is quite ironic.
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hrishid 6y ago

Given how certain kinds of rhetoric from the political left demonizes police offers, it seems likely that many of them have found a home on the right.

watwut 6y ago
Then again, if being cop attracts far right, then left is bound to notice, comment on it and hate them.
tw000001 6y ago
This is something people are severely underestimating. If you slander and dehumanize 40-60% of the population with accusations of white supremacy, you're going to create a white supremacist movement where one did not previously exist.
- staticassertion 6y ago
  White supremacist infiltration of police organizations goes back a long time. Blaming the much more recent attention that people are paying to white supremacy for the movement itself is absurd. "You called me a white supremacist so now I am one" is nonsense. The FBI warned of white supremacist infiltration of police forces over a decade ago.
- bobwaycott 6y ago
  That’s not how white supremacy works. More importantly, the history of US policing is firmly rooted in white supremacy.
- AaronFriel 6y ago
  I would like to believe that people have more personal agency than that, and that in fact, calling someone or their actions white supremacist does not make them such and instead causes them to reflect on what caused the accusation. If merely calling someone or their actions white supremacist makes them suddenly start self-identifying as a white supremacist and they don't see a problem with that, maybe the original accusation wasn't that wrong?
- 6y ago

morelisp 6y ago

For this to happen, all you need is one cop to "support Trump", and most cops to support cops before anyone else.

supercanuck 6y ago

Police Union Leaders are usually found at Trump Rallys EDIT: Ok, downvoted for inductive reasoning, here is data point. https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1267883609886728193?s=21 https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1267883609886728193...

Someone1234 6y ago

We don't have to assume police told us themselves they do: https://www.policemag.com/342098/the-2016-police-presidential-poll https://www.policemag.com/342098/the-2016-police-presidentia...

squarefoot 6y ago

Cops, like many other corps wearing uniforms and carrying guns are very often -not always but very often- aligned with the right. I've direct experiences having worked with them, also have a close relative who taught at the police school confirming it. Not in the US, but I would be extremely surprised if it didn't work the same over there. The mindset is what matters. So it's not that a cop embraces right wing ideals but rather the other way around: it's a job looked for by many people who feel the need to wear an uniform and carry a gun (exercise power, dominate others, there are lots of psychological implications). I'd say that also the cops who expressed respect for George Floyd might be Trump Supporters, although they don't agree with their colleagues violent methods.