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I can imagine animosity from the leadership, for example classifying most journalists as "fake news", contributing to violence from the front line against them.
by linsomniac 6y ago
I can imagine animosity from the leadership, for example classifying most journalists as "fake news", contributing to violence from the front line against them.
- gameswithgo 6y agoI'm sure that has made things worse but general animosity between the press and police goes back decades.
- kingkawn 6y agoDo not dismiss this new horrifying upswing in brutality with hollow generalizations
- alexpetralia 6y ago> Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- morelisp 6y ago'kingkawn's response is neither snarky, uncurious, unkind, or demanding. It's pleading against a particularly common kind of cynicism. Whatever else you might think of this situation, it's impossible to deny something has shifted. Appeals to "it's just the same thing" are at best hollow, at worst placative.
- chadlavi 6y agoThat, and the journalists are literally there to record evidence of their abuse. Police don't like it too much when you record evidence of them, say, beating a peaceful protester, or forcing a weapon into the hands of someone already pinned to the ground.
- imperio59 6y agoWhere have you seen cops forcing weapons into the hands of someone on the ground? I haven't seen that. Definitely seen excessive use of force against seemingly peaceful protesters, but context is everything, and a 10 second snippet does not tell the full story of the interactions between that protester and that cop for the 45 minutes leading up to those 10 seconds. I tend to reserve my judgement on those types of videos, since cops have been also taking a beating in the last few days with bricks, rocks, water bottles, etc... thrown at them off camera or before those clips start, where the convenient "editing" is done to portray the cops as the "bad guys" when often they have spent the last hour being insulted, assaulted and injured before they decide to move in with force on that "peaceful" protester...
- smileysteve 6y agoIn Atlanta, our excessive force on Saturday evening didn't literally force a weapon into someone's hands, but several officers have now been charged, and one of the discovery items was common post police incident reports of a weapon, even though no body cam footage mentions a weapon and no weapon was found. It's a case of officers committing perjury as to the events that occurred to figuratively put a weapon into the scene. The DAs slides https://twitter.com/wsbtv/status/1267843835889156097/photo/1 https://twitter.com/wsbtv/status/1267843835889156097/photo/1
- hmcdona1 6y agoThere is definitely a video from a day or two ago of a cop on top of a protestor with his hand pinned to the ground the cop then moves his baton under the hand of the protester and keeps it pinned on top. He proceeds to then punch his hand trying to appear as if he wants him to let go. Also who gives a shit if they just got verbally harassed for an hour. I don’t get to lose my shit and delete a project because someone keeps submitting bad code. Why do cops get to lose their temper when their job is to keep the peace and enforce the law. Learn to control yourself and do your job or find another profession.
- DaniloDias 6y ago
- fastball 6y agoWhich in turn was perhaps caused by "the news" going from being mostly journalists to mostly pundits with the rise of mass media.
- tehwebguy 6y agoMost news isn’t that, just cable news.
- exclusiv 6y agoWhere can you find credible, unbiased news coverage? I've started watching foreign news coverage of the US. It seems better, but I can't yet tell how much; all news still love the sensational stuff.
- Pfhreak 6y agoThere's no such thing as unbiased news coverage. Any news outlet has more stories to report than they have capacity to report. They must exhibit some bias to control for what they show. (Or, alternatively, I guess they could just randomly select news stories, but I don't think that'd be very compelling.)
- fastball 6y agoOr they could only write about things they have thoroughly researched, not try to write about every event that happens, many of which they are just regurgitating from another source without any additional fact-checking or analysis anyway.
- starpilot 6y agoYou're assuming most cops support Trump?
- Trasmatta 6y agoMost cops don't have to support Trump. Just the ones attacking journalists.
- Loughla 6y agoYes. It's anecdotal at best, but all of the 6 cops I know have either "Trump 2020" or "Trump No More Bullshit" or (my personal favorite) "Trump Making Liberals Cry Since 2016" flags flying above the US flag at their homes. My baseline assumption is a vast majority of police/sheriffs/troopers support Trump. Is this incorrect?
- InvaderFizz 6y agoMy assumption is that the political affiliation of police officers will largely match the ratio of the area. Majority blue areas will see more Democrat police, majority red (rural) will see more Republican sheriffs. This is born out by the data I was able to find, but I can't vouch for the veracity: http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/ http://verdantlabs.com/politics_of_professions/ Sheriffs and State Troopers are very majority Republican, police are barely majority Democrat. I suspect that if we had individual data per region, the affiliation would track with the local politics, maybe with +2 R across the board, or something like that.
- at-fates-hands 6y ago>> "Trump Making Liberals Cry Since 2016" flags flying above the US flag at their homes. I'm having a hard time understanding why this is wrong? EDIT: "Meh, I'm not going to try and explain it, I'll just downvote it." Bravo. B R A V O.
- macintux 6y agoIgnoring the antisocial aspects of the wording, the U.S. flag code indicates the national flag should always be the highest in a display. “When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyard with the flag of the United States, the latter should always be at the peak. When the flags are flown from adjacent staffs, the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last. No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the United States flag’s right.” https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/7 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/4/7
- redisman 6y agoAnd "the enemy of the people"?
- evan_ 6y agohttps://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1114221533461790721 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/11142215334617907... > The press is doing everything within their power to fight the magnificence of the phrase, MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! They can’t stand the fact that this Administration has done more than virtually any other Administration in its first 2yrs. They are truly the ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!
- chooseaname 6y ago> ...this Administration has done more than virtually any other Administration in its first 2yrs. Mr President, that's going to need some fact checking.
- jeffbee 6y agoIndeed. I can't think of an administration that has accomplished less. Even Andrew Johnson managed to buy Alaska.
- ccvannorman 6y agoIf "the press" is the enemy of the people, who would be the right person/party to gather information and report news?
- evan_ 6y agoThe insinuation is, TrumpTV
- colejohnson66 6y agoIn all actuality, it’s probably Fox News. They’re one of the few remaining “big” newsrooms with a heavy conservative bias. Nothing wrong with that, but when people take what them and Trump say as doctrine, well, that’s a problem.
- ravenstine 6y agoNo one can read minds.
- Press2forEN 6y agoAnd I can't imagine, after months of wall-to-wall COVID-19 coverage, how you can still believe that the US press is anything other than outlets of biased and profit-driven crisis porn. That doesn't justify attacks on reporters, but today's journalists aren't just part of the problem, arguably they are the problem.
- selectodude 6y ago"Press 2 for English" is not biased at all.
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- duxup 6y agoLeadership, but individuals too and they spread it themselves. Bias is now barely defined as "I didn't hear my opinion read back to me." and just about any event is used to discredit entire news organizations, reporters, etc. Write some less than positive articles about a company "they have an agenda" and so forth. We get it on HN here too. A buddy of mine was a camera man. Not far from the station was a lake where they heard there was some sort of boating accident. He got there first as the station was across the street, emergency services hadn't showed up yet and the crowd that gathered got quite upset and accused them of exploiting the situation somehow as soon as they got out of their van. It seems people assume poor intentions, not just on the media but in most cases now.
- centimeter 6y agoMost modern “journalism” is garbage and “fake news” is a pretty accurate description of what they’re peddling. Let’s not pretend that most institutional journalists aren’t in bed with powerful political or financial interests, or that they don’t habitually misrepresent facts for those interests.
- rocqua 6y agoI think that bias in the media is much more easily explained by personal bias than by being controlled by political or financial interests.
- FpUser 6y ago>in bed with powerful political or financial interests, or that they don’t habitually misrepresent facts for those interests Does this make them legitimate targets for attack by the police? Btw the same can be said about politicians.