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Do you have a better solution? Perhaps you should bring it to market.

freen 6y ago
Protest de-escalation has been a solved problem since 1970. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/de-escalation-keeps-protesters-and-police-safer-heres-why-departments-respond-with-force-anyway/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/de-escalation-keeps-pro...
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jorge-d 6y ago
Not shooting anything at all might be a good start
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- monoclechris 6y ago
  I, too, want to live in a world where everyone is nice to each other.
  - ohlookabird 6y ago
    Well, then look at how other countries are doing it. The US is really bad with policing.
    - jjeaff 6y ago
      I don't disagree, but I'm not sure if any of these other countries have quite so many criminals and organized crime that are also armed to the teeth. If the cops stopped carrying weapons, would the criminals stop as well?
blueline 6y ago
you think that police misuse of force is due to a lack of better alternatives?
- monoclechris 6y ago
  When you have violent mobs committing arson and vandalism I think bringing out the tear gas is reasonable and not a misuse of force.
  - klyrs 6y ago
    Sure, violent mobs. But last night they used it to disperse a peaceful crowd so that trump could get his picture taken across the street they were occupying. Sounds like an egregious use of force to me.
  - jschwartzi 6y ago
    The problem here is that the police are failing to distinguish between groups peacefully protesting and groups who are tearing things up. They're rounding up all the protestors. The police have a responsibility to distinguish targets. Their job is to police, not to suppress. Even in the middle of a peaceful protest they should be making an effort to police the protest by differentiating between people maintaining civil order and people who are not. They should not arrest or attack anyone who is maintaining civil order. I think the biggest issue with police forces is that they're all basically trained to treat all situations with equal gravity. They fear for their lives even when it is not warranted. And because of that they respond more like a military force, with a level of violence out of all proportion to the situation. The police are a bigger deterrent to peaceful protest in this country than any politician, and they have been since they came into existence.
  - diag 6y ago
    You're ignoring the fact that crowds of nonviolent protestors are being sprayed and gassed without any provocation. The cops are being blatantly abusive in their application.
  - anigbrowl 6y ago
ohlookabird 6y ago
There are so many countries around the world that do fine without the violence, brutality and military gear the US forces use. I could not imagine images like the ones I see now in the US in countries like Germany, Denmark, Austria, Sweden, … All use better tactics and seem to be able to handle even large crowds without shooting and explosives. They normally try to DE-escalate (unlike in the US). But if I read the basic police training in the US is 6 month or less and even hair cutters need more training, this ship seems to have sailed until better training is in place. I am really shocked about what is going on in the US.
- kolanos 6y ago
  Noticed you left France out. Europe is always better, as long as you're selective.
  - bathtub365 6y ago
    The person you responded do didn’t mention Europe.
  - julienfr112 6y ago
    Well, no "gillet jaune" died : https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2018/12/21/gilets-jaunes-neuf-morts-depuis-le-debut-du-mouvement_5400762_3224.html https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2018/12/21/gilets-jau... (read the article : no death are linked to fight)
  - ohlookabird 6y ago
    Not on purpose. I didn't mean to provide a full list, but only a few examples that I feel I can speak about. To be fair, there is a stereotype about French police being more violent than others. But still, I wouldn't expect that they would shoot rubber bullets into people's faces on purpose and hunt down press like in the US.
    - bigfudge 6y ago
      The French only did that in Algeria (like the UK did it to the Irish). We're mostly more civilised closer to home. I guess the othering of black Americans means most US cops don't really feel like they are firing on their 'own' people.

Protest de-escalation has been a solved problem since 1970. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/de-escalation-keeps-protesters-and-police-safer-heres-why-departments-respond-with-force-anyway/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/de-escalation-keeps-pro...

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jorge-d 6y ago

Not shooting anything at all might be a good start

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monoclechris 6y ago
I, too, want to live in a world where everyone is nice to each other.
- ohlookabird 6y ago
  Well, then look at how other countries are doing it. The US is really bad with policing.
  - jjeaff 6y ago
    I don't disagree, but I'm not sure if any of these other countries have quite so many criminals and organized crime that are also armed to the teeth. If the cops stopped carrying weapons, would the criminals stop as well?

blueline 6y ago

you think that police misuse of force is due to a lack of better alternatives?

monoclechris 6y ago
When you have violent mobs committing arson and vandalism I think bringing out the tear gas is reasonable and not a misuse of force.
- klyrs 6y ago
  Sure, violent mobs. But last night they used it to disperse a peaceful crowd so that trump could get his picture taken across the street they were occupying. Sounds like an egregious use of force to me.
- jschwartzi 6y ago
  The problem here is that the police are failing to distinguish between groups peacefully protesting and groups who are tearing things up. They're rounding up all the protestors. The police have a responsibility to distinguish targets. Their job is to police, not to suppress. Even in the middle of a peaceful protest they should be making an effort to police the protest by differentiating between people maintaining civil order and people who are not. They should not arrest or attack anyone who is maintaining civil order. I think the biggest issue with police forces is that they're all basically trained to treat all situations with equal gravity. They fear for their lives even when it is not warranted. And because of that they respond more like a military force, with a level of violence out of all proportion to the situation. The police are a bigger deterrent to peaceful protest in this country than any politician, and they have been since they came into existence.
- diag 6y ago
  You're ignoring the fact that crowds of nonviolent protestors are being sprayed and gassed without any provocation. The cops are being blatantly abusive in their application.
- anigbrowl 6y ago

ohlookabird 6y ago

There are so many countries around the world that do fine without the violence, brutality and military gear the US forces use. I could not imagine images like the ones I see now in the US in countries like Germany, Denmark, Austria, Sweden, … All use better tactics and seem to be able to handle even large crowds without shooting and explosives. They normally try to DE-escalate (unlike in the US). But if I read the basic police training in the US is 6 month or less and even hair cutters need more training, this ship seems to have sailed until better training is in place. I am really shocked about what is going on in the US.

kolanos 6y ago
Noticed you left France out. Europe is always better, as long as you're selective.
- bathtub365 6y ago
  The person you responded do didn’t mention Europe.
- julienfr112 6y ago
  Well, no "gillet jaune" died : https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2018/12/21/gilets-jaunes-neuf-morts-depuis-le-debut-du-mouvement_5400762_3224.html https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2018/12/21/gilets-jau... (read the article : no death are linked to fight)
- ohlookabird 6y ago
  Not on purpose. I didn't mean to provide a full list, but only a few examples that I feel I can speak about. To be fair, there is a stereotype about French police being more violent than others. But still, I wouldn't expect that they would shoot rubber bullets into people's faces on purpose and hunt down press like in the US.
  - bigfudge 6y ago
    The French only did that in Algeria (like the UK did it to the Irish). We're mostly more civilised closer to home. I guess the othering of black Americans means most US cops don't really feel like they are firing on their 'own' people.