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If you have a study that shows higher all cause mortality please link it. My hypothesis would be that healthy people don't take vitamins because they never saw

If you have a study that shows higher all cause mortality please link it. My hypothesis would be that healthy people don't take vitamins because they never saw the need, putting already sick people in the second category. I doubt that taking vitamins can actually do much harm in low doses.

ses1984 6y ago
I just Googled "vitamins lead to higher all cause mortality." First result: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111010173019.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111010173019.h... >After adjustment, use of multivitamins, vitamin B6, folic acid, iron, magnesium, zinc and copper, were all associated with increased risk of death in the study population. The top three links showed association between beta carotene supplementation and risk of death. A little further down, a study showing "higher plasma concentrations of vitamin B12 were associated with a 25% increased adjusted risk of all-cause mortality per 1-SD increase" https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2758742 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... >The use of multivitamins overall was associated with 2.4% increased absolute risk for death (hazard ratio [HR], 1.06; 95% confidence interval, 1.02 - 1.10). https://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/751462#:~:text=The%20use%20of%20multivitamins%20overall,substantially%20between%201986%20and%202004 https://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/751462#:~:text=The%20us.... The conclusion I personally draw from all this is: don't take a multi vitamin. Don't take any vitamins unless I have a good reason like a tested deficiency. If I think I could benefit from a supplement then I try to increase it in my diet instead.
- raverbashing 6y ago
  The risk of excessive iron is known and not new If you read that link you'll see the findings for iron and calcium were replicated. (Not to mention this article is basically referencing a different article which is somewhere else, so we're missing the context) The B12 issue, as the own article mentions, is not necessarily connected to a dietary excess consumption > Participants within the highest quartile of vitamin B12 plasma concentrations (>455.41 pg/mL) were more likely to be older and have higher BMI and blood pressure.
  - ses1984 6y ago
    >The risk of excessive iron is known and not new OK so that's one mineral they called out from a long list that includes multi vitamins, B6, and magnesium, very common recommendations. What about the rest? Point taken about the B12 study. What about https://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/751462#:~:text=The%20use%20of%20multivitamins%20overall,substantially%20between%201986%20and%202004 https://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/751462#:~:text=The%20us...

ses1984 6y ago

I just Googled "vitamins lead to higher all cause mortality." First result: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111010173019.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/10/111010173019.h... >After adjustment, use of multivitamins, vitamin B6, folic acid, iron, magnesium, zinc and copper, were all associated with increased risk of death in the study population. The top three links showed association between beta carotene supplementation and risk of death. A little further down, a study showing "higher plasma concentrations of vitamin B12 were associated with a 25% increased adjusted risk of all-cause mortality per 1-SD increase" https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2758742 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle... >The use of multivitamins overall was associated with 2.4% increased absolute risk for death (hazard ratio [HR], 1.06; 95% confidence interval, 1.02 - 1.10). https://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/751462#:~:text=The%20use%20of%20multivitamins%20overall,substantially%20between%201986%20and%202004 https://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/751462#:~:text=The%20us.... The conclusion I personally draw from all this is: don't take a multi vitamin. Don't take any vitamins unless I have a good reason like a tested deficiency. If I think I could benefit from a supplement then I try to increase it in my diet instead.

raverbashing 6y ago
The risk of excessive iron is known and not new If you read that link you'll see the findings for iron and calcium were replicated. (Not to mention this article is basically referencing a different article which is somewhere else, so we're missing the context) The B12 issue, as the own article mentions, is not necessarily connected to a dietary excess consumption > Participants within the highest quartile of vitamin B12 plasma concentrations (>455.41 pg/mL) were more likely to be older and have higher BMI and blood pressure.
- ses1984 6y ago
  >The risk of excessive iron is known and not new OK so that's one mineral they called out from a long list that includes multi vitamins, B6, and magnesium, very common recommendations. What about the rest? Point taken about the B12 study. What about https://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/751462#:~:text=The%20use%20of%20multivitamins%20overall,substantially%20between%201986%20and%202004 https://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/751462#:~:text=The%20us...