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If black people are more likely to be criminalized then having a police brutality problem is certainly a bigger problem for black people... There are many pote
by chrischen 6y ago
If black people are more likely to be criminalized then having a police brutality problem is certainly a bigger problem for black people...
There are many potential factors for why black people have higher criminalization rates:
1) systemic racially targeted policies (even if not explicitly targeting). One example may be going after “black people drugs” more than “white people drugs”. Real world example was Nixon’s Drug war on black people and leftists.
2) Historic prejudice that reduces opportunities. If a certain group has reduced opportunities, they’re sort of forced to find other means. Plus if you think the system is rigged why would you work with the system?
3) compounding effects. If such effects like the ones above compound over generations, at some point some people start thinking it’s endemic to the race. This is a more direct racism, but honestly you’d have to willingly ignore the above two to truly believe this. Examples are right wingers citing black people being more likely to be incarcerated as a reason for why they are more likely to be criminals. A logical fallacy in itself.
3b) compounding effects also lead to in general more scrutiny on black people for crimes.
3c) if your parents had a tough time you’re more likely to have a tough time. If your parents were criminals or drug users, guess what’s gonna be normal for you. On the opposite end of the same stick: things like legacy college admits disadvantage those who never had anything close to such benefits. Seems like it’s not harming anyone but guess who that fancy wall street job is more likely to hire: name brand college grad or black guy from community college (or no college at all because parents couldn’t afford it). SAT tests? Sorry was making sure I wasn’t stabbed at my inner city school. Some these things apply just in general to poor people, but remember black people don’t exactly come from wealthy legacy of early Americans, and are systematically denied opportunities over generations.
There’s probably more causes and factors I’m missing because America is just so full of historically awful things done to black people that I, as a (naturalized) non-black immigrant, am quite confounded how it’s still generally acceptable that legacy power structures from people who benefited off these awful things still exist.
So trying to pin criminalization rate abnormalities on black people as an endemic racial thing would require willful ignorance that somehow over 400 years of institutionalized racism and prejudice, both from hateful people and prejudicial policies, would somehow have no effect on current day black people. One would have to be pretty willfully blind to not get why black people are more likely to be criminalized today.
I know you didn’t say it, but implying that it’s everyone’s problem subtly suggests that black criminalization rate isn't the core of the issue, and takes away from the inordinate targeted prejudice they are facing from such police brutality policies. That being said, have you ever heard of a white guy saying they felt less safe around cops?
EDIT: it seems you removed the “everyone’s problem bit”
> After watching that video I personally (as a white male) feel at least a bit more nervous about police.
I’m not black but I can tell you your nervousness probably means nothing real. It’s also kind of insulting to insinuate that your concern for police would be on any level equal to the concern a black person may have. They have honestly much more of a real reason to fear police. Plus your argument about getting beaten up by a crazy police officer makes no sense. You could just as likely get beat up by any crazy person. If your worry is getting shot by a crazy police officer same thing, you’re probably more likely as a white guy to be shot by a non police with a gun given how easy it is for anyone to obtain one.
- api 6y agoA shorter version of my point: a brutal paramilitary police force with a license to kill is not something anyone should tolerate, and it's everyone's problem. Minorities are disproportionately victimized by it, but until people realize it's everyone's problem nothing is going to be done.
- chrischen 6y agoExcept the police don’t actually have a license to kill. They are just particularly dangerous to black people. Even if your claims that US police are a trigger happy paramilitary force, they definitely do not affect non-black races as much. I mean yes any given white criminal may be subject to similar risks, but there’s profiling done on anonymous black people and just in general the rate of non-black criminality is lower so such problems will affect the average non-black person much less. And if you don’t fit into the profile of a criminal by a cop you’re pretty low in terms of chance of getting harassed. Across suburbia stores closed early and police patrols were increased amid possible rioting. Imagine an SUV full of black men drives up to a suburban strip mall during last night in such circumstances and imagine one full of white teenage girls. If just due to the fact that a police goes by their gut On the job, they’re more likely to profile the SUV full of black people as potentially suspicious. Best case they just follow them and give them undue attention; worst case they harass them or more. I get where you are coming from, but I also think the cause is worthy even if doesn’t affect one’s own race at any given time. I think it could happen to any race which is why it’s important to stop unequal treatment. I mean I’m sure other groups get profiled too such as Muslims (as terrorists) and that probably didn’t really start until 2001.