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It's crocodile tears. Police chiefs knew all along about the deplorable amount of racism and casual violence on their forces, they just chose to ignore them. No

It's crocodile tears. Police chiefs knew all along about the deplorable amount of racism and casual violence on their forces, they just chose to ignore them. Now the political winds are shifting and they have to go along to keep their jobs.

emperorsclothes 6y ago
Strange to see wild narratives on HN about police racism and violence that have no basis in reality.
- HarryHirsch 6y ago
  They could have spoken up after that Brunswick murder but waited until this Monday, when Minneapolis went up in flames. That's how I know.
- ciarannolan 6y ago
  In *your reality, for which you should be greatful.
- xvector 6y ago
  Hundreds of videos have emerged of police brutality over the past few days. In how many of those videos do you see "good cops" taking down those bad cops committing acts of brutality? Almost never. I myself have only seen two videos where this has been the case, out of hundreds! Police racism and violence is an issue, but it becomes egregious when the rest of the police force just stands by.
  - Larrikin 6y ago
    >Almost never. Are there any videos or stories at all over the past few days? There have been reports in some cities of the actual good cops here and there taking part in the protests and actually looking like they want to improve things in their communities, but I haven't heard of anything where the police have intervened on cops that were escalating violence and brutalizing protesters. It would be a pretty big turning point in the protests if this is actually happening
    - selimthegrim 6y ago
      Would this be like in Orlando where they took a knee with the protesters and promptly resumed teargassing them an hour later?
    - evan_ 6y ago
      There’s a video of a cop pushing a kneeling woman and then a black woman police officer yells at him for a little bit, that’s about it. I guess you could count the video of a Seattle cop telling another cop to take his knee off of a protester’s throat.
      - MertsA 6y ago
        > I guess you could count the video of a Seattle cop telling another cop to take his knee off of a protester’s throat. Yeah but that only happened after the crowd was screaming at them to take their knee off. I doubt that would have happened if it weren't for the protestors and the optics of doing literally exactly what kicked off this latest protest to begin with. If those cops were alone and making that arrest a month ago I highly doubt the other cop would have stepped in to move his knee.
      - tw000001 6y ago
        There are literal videos of cops kneeling with protestors in shows of solidarity. Peacefully talking. In LA they're sitting right now. I cannot believe how far people will go seeing what they want to see.
        komali2 6y ago
        Yup, and then there's other videos of cops marching with protesters... Straight into the waiting arms of the national guard, where protesters get boxed in, shot at, and arrested. On the whole, the cops have been insanely brutal.
        evan_ 6y ago
        The police in Columbus, Ohio marched with protesters earlier today, minutes ago they tear gassed legal media observers despite their plainly identifying themselves. Countless more examples. It’s PR. https://twitter.com/TheLantern/status/1267644471317090305 https://twitter.com/TheLantern/status/1267644471317090305
  - prawn 6y ago
    The only one I've seen was where two cops were restraining someone while being filmed. One of the cops had his knee on the arrestee's head/neck, and after some time his partner (administering cuffs perhaps) noticed it and wrenched his knee away.
    - 8note 6y ago
      I think I saw that one; they took the knee away because it was on a white guy's neck, wasn't it? We've already seen what happens when it's a black guy's neck
      - prawn 6y ago
        In this case, the knee was there regardless and the colleague recognised the "bad optics" (as they say). Looked like natural behaviour from the first cop rather than "I'm trying to prove we kneel on all necks" too.
      - silverreads 6y ago
        He bent down, listened to the guy, and then moved his partner's knee.
- somebrody 6y ago
  > emperorsclothes .
- Gabriel_Martin 6y ago
  Imagine being this oblivious
- Gabriel_Martin 6y ago
  Gotta love a three-hour old account trying to convince people that police racism and violence isn't real. Are we twitter now @dang? The astroturfing hasn't been subtle lately.
  - dang 6y ago
    We've banned that account for breaking the site guidelines. But why are you breaking them yourself? Insinuations about astroturfing without evidence are not allowed, for reasons I've explained extensively (see https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...). And obviously you shouldn't be responding like this or https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23386438 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23386438. Doing that helps nothing; it only makes this place even worse. The guidelines specifically ask you not to feed egregious comments by replying (a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls), but to flag them instead. Other users did that, and so the GP comment was rightly flagkilled. If you had done that instead, that would have happened sooner. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful. (Edit: Fortunately your comment history seems just fine for HN so this isn't a longstanding problem.)
    - emperorsclothes 6y ago
      How did I break site guidelines? The comment I was replying to made wildly exaggerated claims about police violence and racism. I am simply trying to improve the quality of discussion by focusing on what the evidence actually allows us to conclude. I understand that for controversial topics many people have deeply held beliefs and so experience a strong emotional reaction if they are questioned. It is easier to dismiss someone as a "troll" rather than examining why they hold these beliefs. This was admittedly my lowest quality comment, but it is hard to see what was objectionable about the previous three comments, which were almost instantly flagged. The statistical evidence points to a very small role for racial bias in explaining differences in the use of deadly force by the police. What's wrong with pointing that out when it is directly relevant to the discussion?
- somebrody 6y ago
  > wild narratives on HN about police racism and violence You can see cops wilding out here From reddit: Please share this firing something at innocent person on their porch: https://streamable.com/u2jzoo https://streamable.com/u2jzoo cop appearing to be enjoying himself today: https://v.redd.it/jjclrdzp8x151 https://v.redd.it/jjclrdzp8x151 cop shooting something at guy for saying "fuck you": https://v.redd.it/zepg0b43ly151 https://v.redd.it/zepg0b43ly151 cops breaking supplies for peaceful protestors: https://v.redd.it/v8x8isj0xz151 https://v.redd.it/v8x8isj0xz151 nypd driving into protestors: https://v.redd.it/mztm15kh00251 https://v.redd.it/mztm15kh00251 https://gfycat.com/misguidedrecklesscod https://gfycat.com/misguidedrecklesscod cops shoving an old dude to the ground: https://v.redd.it/bluggpblrz151 https://v.redd.it/bluggpblrz151 police actively seeking out fights compilation: https://v.redd.it/m82yxl4qh0251 https://v.redd.it/m82yxl4qh0251 cop driving at people aggressively on a campus: https://v.redd.it/ngxvkoro60251 https://v.redd.it/ngxvkoro60251 cop shooting rubber bullets at people watching from apartment: https://mobile.twitter.com/Sarah_Mojarad/status/1266633046591078400?s=09 https://mobile.twitter.com/Sarah_Mojarad/status/126663304659... police shooting the press with rubber bullets: https://v.redd.it/o3v8ps7rat151 https://v.redd.it/o3v8ps7rat151 police arresting a CNN reporter: https://v.redd.it/yce9bpk8mo151 https://v.redd.it/yce9bpk8mo151 police doing a drive-by pepper spraying https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266193926316228609 https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266193926316228... photographer being pepper sprayed: https://i.redd.it/4ix8f3j6dy151.jpg https://i.redd.it/4ix8f3j6dy151.jpg guy with hands in the air gets his mask ripped off and pepper sprayed: https://v.redd.it/wlx0gyoe21251 https://v.redd.it/wlx0gyoe21251 lady who was coming home with groceries who got a rubber bullet to the head: https://i.redd.it/ns0uj557x0251.jpg https://i.redd.it/ns0uj557x0251.jpg https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinRKrause/status/1266898396339675137 https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinRKrause/status/1266898396339... reporter blinded by rubber bullets: https://mobile.twitter.com/KillerMartinis/status/1266618525600399361?s=19 https://mobile.twitter.com/KillerMartinis/status/12666185256... reporter describes getting tear gassed: https://mobile.twitter.com/mollyhf/status/1266911382613692422 https://mobile.twitter.com/mollyhf/status/126691138261369242... couple getting yanked out of their car and tased for violating curfew: https://mobile.twitter.com/GAFollowers/status/1266919104574865410?s=19 https://mobile.twitter.com/GAFollowers/status/12669191045748... young woman gets shoved to the ground by officer: https://mobile.twitter.com/whitney_hu/status/1266540710188195843?s=20 https://mobile.twitter.com/whitney_hu/status/126654071018819... reporter sheltering in gas station is pepper sprayed: https://twitter.com/MichaelAdams317 https://twitter.com/MichaelAdams317 reporter trying to get home gets window shot out: https://twitter.com/JaredGoyette/status/1266961243476299778 https://twitter.com/JaredGoyette/status/1266961243476299778 cops come at a guy for filming a police car burning: https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1266953514242228229 https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1266953514242228229 photographer arrested: https://youtu.be/9wgkGLmphLE https://youtu.be/9wgkGLmphLE Columbus police assaulting protestors: https://twitter.com/KRobPhoto/status/1266796191469252610 https://twitter.com/KRobPhoto/status/1266796191469252610 congresswoman sprayed with pepper spray during protest: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/30/politics/joyce-beatty-ohio-pepper-sprayed-columbus-protest/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/30/politics/joyce-beatty-ohio-pe... 7 protesters fired on with rubber bullets: https://v.redd.it/tal1ncha4o151 https://v.redd.it/tal1ncha4o151 cops pepper spraying a group of protestors without provocation https://v.redd.it/0dxnkso0a1251 https://v.redd.it/0dxnkso0a1251 young child allegedly pepper sprayed: https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/video-shows-milk-poured-over-face-of-child-pepper-sprayed-in-seattle-protest https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/video-shows-milk-poured-ov... horse tramples young woman, police investigating: https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/05/30/watch-video-captures-moment-police-horse-tramples-woman-during-houston-rally/ https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/05/30/watch-vi... cop pushes protestor with his bike https://twitter.com/ava/status/1266797973834395648?s=20 https://twitter.com/ava/status/1266797973834395648?s=20 Reuters reporters detail being shot at with rubber bullets: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protest-update/reuters-cameraman-hit-by-rubber-bullets-as-police-disperse-protesters-idUSKBN237050 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protes... Denver PD pushing reporter into a fire https://twitter.com/tessrmalle/status/1266945413258653696?s=20 https://twitter.com/tessrmalle/status/1266945413258653696?s=... Denver PD shooting at a couple in a car after learning pregnant woman is in the car https://www.instagram.com/p/CAzZnQvF8B0/?igshid=woeoeruh786o https://www.instagram.com/p/CAzZnQvF8B0/?igshid=woeoeruh786o Wife + husband get beaten by 2x4 for defending their shop https://streamable.com/9w5c5e https://streamable.com/9w5c5e “Light them up” for standing in their porch https://streamable.com/u2jzoo https://streamable.com/u2jzoo Rioter gets slammed into a fence by a garbage receptacle by fellow rioters https://reddit.com/r/IdiotsFightingThings/comments/gtqdne/friendly_fire/ https://reddit.com/r/IdiotsFightingThings/comments/gtqdne/fr... Kentucky cops shooting a news crew with pepper bullets https://reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/gt6c01/louisville_kentucky_cops_lighting_up_a_news_crew/ https://reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/gt6c01/louisville_... News reporter gets arrested for nothing https://reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/gsrjm8/cnn_reporters_arrested_on_live_air_in_minneapolis/ https://reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/gsrjm8/cnn_reporte... Cop pepper spraying protesters while driving by https://reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/gswy45/these_were_peaceful_protests_until/ https://reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/gswy45/these_were_p... Cops shoots protester for no reason twice https://reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/police_shoots_protestor_for_no_reason/ https://reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/police_s... Police hunting down journalist and pepper spraying him while his head is on the ground https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu5yru/us_security_forces_hunt_down_journalists_covering/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu5yru/us_s... Police pulling down black man’s mask to pepper spray him with his hands up https://twitter.com/AJRupchandani/status/1266889115288711168?s=20 https://twitter.com/AJRupchandani/status/1266889115288711168... Police pulling black family FROM THEIR CAR by breaking the windshield, cutting the tires, and using mace and tasers https://twitter.com/chimdesires/status/1267198829775990787?s=21 https://twitter.com/chimdesires/status/1267198829775990787?s... Bike cop runs into some guy from behind and then assaults him https://twitter.com/The_Stepover/status/1267240778645925889?s=20 https://twitter.com/The_Stepover/status/1267240778645925889?... Covering up badge numbers https://twitter.com/Rosemar41833206/status/1266948686493384710?s=20 https://twitter.com/Rosemar41833206/status/12669486864933847... Cop opens car door at speed to hit a protester as they pass https://twitter.com/ZeeshanAleem/status/1266562022398926848?s=20 https://twitter.com/ZeeshanAleem/status/1266562022398926848?... Pack of police pepper spray a couple random pedestrians, and then spray into the open window of a guy who witnessed it in his own home https://twitter.com/Mahina_420/status/1267254525112594433?s=20 https://twitter.com/Mahina_420/status/1267254525112594433?s=... Another cop using their vehicle as a deadly weapon https://i.imgur.com/QTZCPKg.gifv https://i.imgur.com/QTZCPKg.gifv Police drag off man for... walking https://twitter.com/LasVegasLocally/status/1267210841595604992?s=20 https://twitter.com/LasVegasLocally/status/12672108415956049... Police arrest journalist https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1266933018570219520?s=20 https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1266933018570219520?s... State senator was pepper sprayed and cuffed while trying to keep things peaceful at Barclays Arena. http://bronx.news12.com/story/42192118/state-senator-says-he-was-pepper-sprayed-handcuffed-at-barclays-protest http://bronx.news12.com/story/42192118/state-senator-says-he... if you have anything you'd like to add please link it! https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/police_shoots_protestor_for_no_reason/fsg94zy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/poli...
briefcomment 6y ago
Change does not require looting and beatings does it? Wouldn't looting and beatings simply give the police more power, and be counter productive against making police more accountable? Looters and those who bash people's skulls in are opportunists who don't care about change. The ones that want change see their opportunity slipping away.
- renewiltord 6y ago
  Yeah that's what people said for twenty years. So people wrote letters and went to court and the media. Turns out that didn't work. Actually, have you seen Daniel Shaver's killing? No riot. Outcome: that policeman collects a pension and rests easy at home. So it is established your technique doesn't work. When the good things don't work, eventually you get the bad things. That's not even through people changing. It's through the people changing. I remember reading in the WSJ or the NYT about one particular time in the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood's recent history when there was a bit of tension between their young firebrand wing and their older mellower leaders (though both were still religious). At the time, the older leader was in hiding (on account of the military looking for him) and there was a bit of violence so he came out to appeal for peace and was promptly arrested. This had the predictable effect of weakening the mellow side and turning the organization more radical (or so the article predicted). So you don't have to turn people into rioters, you can just destroy the credibility of everyone calling for peaceful resolutions by dismissing them out of hand repeatedly. Eventually no one will listen to them. And then the only people with power in those groups are the firebrands. A complete own-goal if you're looking for peace.
  - ineedasername 6y ago
    Regardless of the effectiveness of peaceful protests over the past 20 years, violent ones are even less likely to see change. Those already on the fence or against the issue will just use it as an opportunity to dismiss it all as thugs interested in chaos, no matter that the majority are peaceful.
    - silverreads 6y ago

emperorsclothes 6y ago

Strange to see wild narratives on HN about police racism and violence that have no basis in reality.

HarryHirsch 6y ago
They could have spoken up after that Brunswick murder but waited until this Monday, when Minneapolis went up in flames. That's how I know.
ciarannolan 6y ago
In *your reality, for which you should be greatful.
xvector 6y ago
Hundreds of videos have emerged of police brutality over the past few days. In how many of those videos do you see "good cops" taking down those bad cops committing acts of brutality? Almost never. I myself have only seen two videos where this has been the case, out of hundreds! Police racism and violence is an issue, but it becomes egregious when the rest of the police force just stands by.
- Larrikin 6y ago
  >Almost never. Are there any videos or stories at all over the past few days? There have been reports in some cities of the actual good cops here and there taking part in the protests and actually looking like they want to improve things in their communities, but I haven't heard of anything where the police have intervened on cops that were escalating violence and brutalizing protesters. It would be a pretty big turning point in the protests if this is actually happening
  - selimthegrim 6y ago
    Would this be like in Orlando where they took a knee with the protesters and promptly resumed teargassing them an hour later?
  - evan_ 6y ago
    There’s a video of a cop pushing a kneeling woman and then a black woman police officer yells at him for a little bit, that’s about it. I guess you could count the video of a Seattle cop telling another cop to take his knee off of a protester’s throat.
    - MertsA 6y ago
      > I guess you could count the video of a Seattle cop telling another cop to take his knee off of a protester’s throat. Yeah but that only happened after the crowd was screaming at them to take their knee off. I doubt that would have happened if it weren't for the protestors and the optics of doing literally exactly what kicked off this latest protest to begin with. If those cops were alone and making that arrest a month ago I highly doubt the other cop would have stepped in to move his knee.
    - tw000001 6y ago
      There are literal videos of cops kneeling with protestors in shows of solidarity. Peacefully talking. In LA they're sitting right now. I cannot believe how far people will go seeing what they want to see.
      - komali2 6y ago
        Yup, and then there's other videos of cops marching with protesters... Straight into the waiting arms of the national guard, where protesters get boxed in, shot at, and arrested. On the whole, the cops have been insanely brutal.
      - evan_ 6y ago
        The police in Columbus, Ohio marched with protesters earlier today, minutes ago they tear gassed legal media observers despite their plainly identifying themselves. Countless more examples. It’s PR. https://twitter.com/TheLantern/status/1267644471317090305 https://twitter.com/TheLantern/status/1267644471317090305
- prawn 6y ago
  The only one I've seen was where two cops were restraining someone while being filmed. One of the cops had his knee on the arrestee's head/neck, and after some time his partner (administering cuffs perhaps) noticed it and wrenched his knee away.
  - 8note 6y ago
    I think I saw that one; they took the knee away because it was on a white guy's neck, wasn't it? We've already seen what happens when it's a black guy's neck
    - prawn 6y ago
      In this case, the knee was there regardless and the colleague recognised the "bad optics" (as they say). Looked like natural behaviour from the first cop rather than "I'm trying to prove we kneel on all necks" too.
    - silverreads 6y ago
      He bent down, listened to the guy, and then moved his partner's knee.
somebrody 6y ago
> emperorsclothes .
Gabriel_Martin 6y ago
Imagine being this oblivious
Gabriel_Martin 6y ago
Gotta love a three-hour old account trying to convince people that police racism and violence isn't real. Are we twitter now @dang? The astroturfing hasn't been subtle lately.
- dang 6y ago
  We've banned that account for breaking the site guidelines. But why are you breaking them yourself? Insinuations about astroturfing without evidence are not allowed, for reasons I've explained extensively (see https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...). And obviously you shouldn't be responding like this or https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23386438 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23386438. Doing that helps nothing; it only makes this place even worse. The guidelines specifically ask you not to feed egregious comments by replying (a.k.a. please don't feed the trolls), but to flag them instead. Other users did that, and so the GP comment was rightly flagkilled. If you had done that instead, that would have happened sooner. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful. (Edit: Fortunately your comment history seems just fine for HN so this isn't a longstanding problem.)
  - emperorsclothes 6y ago
    How did I break site guidelines? The comment I was replying to made wildly exaggerated claims about police violence and racism. I am simply trying to improve the quality of discussion by focusing on what the evidence actually allows us to conclude. I understand that for controversial topics many people have deeply held beliefs and so experience a strong emotional reaction if they are questioned. It is easier to dismiss someone as a "troll" rather than examining why they hold these beliefs. This was admittedly my lowest quality comment, but it is hard to see what was objectionable about the previous three comments, which were almost instantly flagged. The statistical evidence points to a very small role for racial bias in explaining differences in the use of deadly force by the police. What's wrong with pointing that out when it is directly relevant to the discussion?
somebrody 6y ago
> wild narratives on HN about police racism and violence You can see cops wilding out here From reddit: Please share this firing something at innocent person on their porch: https://streamable.com/u2jzoo https://streamable.com/u2jzoo cop appearing to be enjoying himself today: https://v.redd.it/jjclrdzp8x151 https://v.redd.it/jjclrdzp8x151 cop shooting something at guy for saying "fuck you": https://v.redd.it/zepg0b43ly151 https://v.redd.it/zepg0b43ly151 cops breaking supplies for peaceful protestors: https://v.redd.it/v8x8isj0xz151 https://v.redd.it/v8x8isj0xz151 nypd driving into protestors: https://v.redd.it/mztm15kh00251 https://v.redd.it/mztm15kh00251 https://gfycat.com/misguidedrecklesscod https://gfycat.com/misguidedrecklesscod cops shoving an old dude to the ground: https://v.redd.it/bluggpblrz151 https://v.redd.it/bluggpblrz151 police actively seeking out fights compilation: https://v.redd.it/m82yxl4qh0251 https://v.redd.it/m82yxl4qh0251 cop driving at people aggressively on a campus: https://v.redd.it/ngxvkoro60251 https://v.redd.it/ngxvkoro60251 cop shooting rubber bullets at people watching from apartment: https://mobile.twitter.com/Sarah_Mojarad/status/1266633046591078400?s=09 https://mobile.twitter.com/Sarah_Mojarad/status/126663304659... police shooting the press with rubber bullets: https://v.redd.it/o3v8ps7rat151 https://v.redd.it/o3v8ps7rat151 police arresting a CNN reporter: https://v.redd.it/yce9bpk8mo151 https://v.redd.it/yce9bpk8mo151 police doing a drive-by pepper spraying https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266193926316228609 https://mobile.twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266193926316228... photographer being pepper sprayed: https://i.redd.it/4ix8f3j6dy151.jpg https://i.redd.it/4ix8f3j6dy151.jpg guy with hands in the air gets his mask ripped off and pepper sprayed: https://v.redd.it/wlx0gyoe21251 https://v.redd.it/wlx0gyoe21251 lady who was coming home with groceries who got a rubber bullet to the head: https://i.redd.it/ns0uj557x0251.jpg https://i.redd.it/ns0uj557x0251.jpg https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinRKrause/status/1266898396339675137 https://mobile.twitter.com/KevinRKrause/status/1266898396339... reporter blinded by rubber bullets: https://mobile.twitter.com/KillerMartinis/status/1266618525600399361?s=19 https://mobile.twitter.com/KillerMartinis/status/12666185256... reporter describes getting tear gassed: https://mobile.twitter.com/mollyhf/status/1266911382613692422 https://mobile.twitter.com/mollyhf/status/126691138261369242... couple getting yanked out of their car and tased for violating curfew: https://mobile.twitter.com/GAFollowers/status/1266919104574865410?s=19 https://mobile.twitter.com/GAFollowers/status/12669191045748... young woman gets shoved to the ground by officer: https://mobile.twitter.com/whitney_hu/status/1266540710188195843?s=20 https://mobile.twitter.com/whitney_hu/status/126654071018819... reporter sheltering in gas station is pepper sprayed: https://twitter.com/MichaelAdams317 https://twitter.com/MichaelAdams317 reporter trying to get home gets window shot out: https://twitter.com/JaredGoyette/status/1266961243476299778 https://twitter.com/JaredGoyette/status/1266961243476299778 cops come at a guy for filming a police car burning: https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1266953514242228229 https://twitter.com/johncusack/status/1266953514242228229 photographer arrested: https://youtu.be/9wgkGLmphLE https://youtu.be/9wgkGLmphLE Columbus police assaulting protestors: https://twitter.com/KRobPhoto/status/1266796191469252610 https://twitter.com/KRobPhoto/status/1266796191469252610 congresswoman sprayed with pepper spray during protest: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/30/politics/joyce-beatty-ohio-pepper-sprayed-columbus-protest/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/30/politics/joyce-beatty-ohio-pe... 7 protesters fired on with rubber bullets: https://v.redd.it/tal1ncha4o151 https://v.redd.it/tal1ncha4o151 cops pepper spraying a group of protestors without provocation https://v.redd.it/0dxnkso0a1251 https://v.redd.it/0dxnkso0a1251 young child allegedly pepper sprayed: https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/video-shows-milk-poured-over-face-of-child-pepper-sprayed-in-seattle-protest https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/video-shows-milk-poured-ov... horse tramples young woman, police investigating: https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/05/30/watch-video-captures-moment-police-horse-tramples-woman-during-houston-rally/ https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2020/05/30/watch-vi... cop pushes protestor with his bike https://twitter.com/ava/status/1266797973834395648?s=20 https://twitter.com/ava/status/1266797973834395648?s=20 Reuters reporters detail being shot at with rubber bullets: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protest-update/reuters-cameraman-hit-by-rubber-bullets-as-police-disperse-protesters-idUSKBN237050 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-protes... Denver PD pushing reporter into a fire https://twitter.com/tessrmalle/status/1266945413258653696?s=20 https://twitter.com/tessrmalle/status/1266945413258653696?s=... Denver PD shooting at a couple in a car after learning pregnant woman is in the car https://www.instagram.com/p/CAzZnQvF8B0/?igshid=woeoeruh786o https://www.instagram.com/p/CAzZnQvF8B0/?igshid=woeoeruh786o Wife + husband get beaten by 2x4 for defending their shop https://streamable.com/9w5c5e https://streamable.com/9w5c5e “Light them up” for standing in their porch https://streamable.com/u2jzoo https://streamable.com/u2jzoo Rioter gets slammed into a fence by a garbage receptacle by fellow rioters https://reddit.com/r/IdiotsFightingThings/comments/gtqdne/friendly_fire/ https://reddit.com/r/IdiotsFightingThings/comments/gtqdne/fr... Kentucky cops shooting a news crew with pepper bullets https://reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/gt6c01/louisville_kentucky_cops_lighting_up_a_news_crew/ https://reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/gt6c01/louisville_... News reporter gets arrested for nothing https://reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/gsrjm8/cnn_reporters_arrested_on_live_air_in_minneapolis/ https://reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/gsrjm8/cnn_reporte... Cop pepper spraying protesters while driving by https://reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/gswy45/these_were_peaceful_protests_until/ https://reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/gswy45/these_were_p... Cops shoots protester for no reason twice https://reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/police_shoots_protestor_for_no_reason/ https://reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/police_s... Police hunting down journalist and pepper spraying him while his head is on the ground https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu5yru/us_security_forces_hunt_down_journalists_covering/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu5yru/us_s... Police pulling down black man’s mask to pepper spray him with his hands up https://twitter.com/AJRupchandani/status/1266889115288711168?s=20 https://twitter.com/AJRupchandani/status/1266889115288711168... Police pulling black family FROM THEIR CAR by breaking the windshield, cutting the tires, and using mace and tasers https://twitter.com/chimdesires/status/1267198829775990787?s=21 https://twitter.com/chimdesires/status/1267198829775990787?s... Bike cop runs into some guy from behind and then assaults him https://twitter.com/The_Stepover/status/1267240778645925889?s=20 https://twitter.com/The_Stepover/status/1267240778645925889?... Covering up badge numbers https://twitter.com/Rosemar41833206/status/1266948686493384710?s=20 https://twitter.com/Rosemar41833206/status/12669486864933847... Cop opens car door at speed to hit a protester as they pass https://twitter.com/ZeeshanAleem/status/1266562022398926848?s=20 https://twitter.com/ZeeshanAleem/status/1266562022398926848?... Pack of police pepper spray a couple random pedestrians, and then spray into the open window of a guy who witnessed it in his own home https://twitter.com/Mahina_420/status/1267254525112594433?s=20 https://twitter.com/Mahina_420/status/1267254525112594433?s=... Another cop using their vehicle as a deadly weapon https://i.imgur.com/QTZCPKg.gifv https://i.imgur.com/QTZCPKg.gifv Police drag off man for... walking https://twitter.com/LasVegasLocally/status/1267210841595604992?s=20 https://twitter.com/LasVegasLocally/status/12672108415956049... Police arrest journalist https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1266933018570219520?s=20 https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1266933018570219520?s... State senator was pepper sprayed and cuffed while trying to keep things peaceful at Barclays Arena. http://bronx.news12.com/story/42192118/state-senator-says-he-was-pepper-sprayed-handcuffed-at-barclays-protest http://bronx.news12.com/story/42192118/state-senator-says-he... if you have anything you'd like to add please link it! https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/police_shoots_protestor_for_no_reason/fsg94zy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/poli...

briefcomment 6y ago

Change does not require looting and beatings does it? Wouldn't looting and beatings simply give the police more power, and be counter productive against making police more accountable? Looters and those who bash people's skulls in are opportunists who don't care about change. The ones that want change see their opportunity slipping away.

renewiltord 6y ago
Yeah that's what people said for twenty years. So people wrote letters and went to court and the media. Turns out that didn't work. Actually, have you seen Daniel Shaver's killing? No riot. Outcome: that policeman collects a pension and rests easy at home. So it is established your technique doesn't work. When the good things don't work, eventually you get the bad things. That's not even through people changing. It's through the people changing. I remember reading in the WSJ or the NYT about one particular time in the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood's recent history when there was a bit of tension between their young firebrand wing and their older mellower leaders (though both were still religious). At the time, the older leader was in hiding (on account of the military looking for him) and there was a bit of violence so he came out to appeal for peace and was promptly arrested. This had the predictable effect of weakening the mellow side and turning the organization more radical (or so the article predicted). So you don't have to turn people into rioters, you can just destroy the credibility of everyone calling for peaceful resolutions by dismissing them out of hand repeatedly. Eventually no one will listen to them. And then the only people with power in those groups are the firebrands. A complete own-goal if you're looking for peace.
- ineedasername 6y ago
  Regardless of the effectiveness of peaceful protests over the past 20 years, violent ones are even less likely to see change. Those already on the fence or against the issue will just use it as an opportunity to dismiss it all as thugs interested in chaos, no matter that the majority are peaceful.
  - silverreads 6y ago