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Minneapolis Chief of Police: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medaria_Arradondo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medaria_Arradondo Seattle Chief of Police: http://www.seattle.gov/police/about-us/about-the-department/command-staff http://www.seattle.gov/police/about-us/about-the-department/... St Louis Chief of Police: http://www.slmpd.org/chief_of_police.shtml http://www.slmpd.org/chief_of_police.shtml Atlanta Chief of Police: https://www.projectq.us/atlanta/atlanta_police_chief_erika_shields_quietly_comes_out_as_gay https://www.projectq.us/atlanta/atlanta_police_chief_erika_s... Chicago Chief of Police: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brown_(police_officer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brown_(police_officer) Oakland Chief of Police: https://climaterwc.com/2019/07/17/san-mateo-police-chief-susan-manheimer-to-retire-in-december/ https://climaterwc.com/2019/07/17/san-mateo-police-chief-sus... People on HN seem to have a cartoon villain view of police, so I thought I'd share a few faces of police leadership in effected communities.

panic 6y ago
The police could stop the protests instantly by changing how they deal with racist officers and officers who kill people. They would rather escalate the situation than make these changes.
- tcbawo 6y ago
  Being a police officer is a difficult, thankless, dangerous job, yet critical for a functional society. You don't get the same resources, respect, or pension of the military. If you are let go/fired, you have little chance of finding something comparable close by. It's not healthy for the psyche to be put into harm's way for an entire career span. There is probably a lot of untreated PTSD going on. It's not surprising that they are very leery of policies that would put them or fellow officers at risk, or be guinea pigs for policies pushed down from above. People get awkward or remain guarded around police in social settings, so law enforcement tends to fraternize with each other and their families. None of this makes for an environment that promotes transparency. I'm not making any judgements for or against any of the events that have transpired. But I have sympathy for everyone involved. I suspect that the police-public dynamic will never be changed without a significant cultural shift in attitudes.
  - slg 6y ago
    I guess this is just another one of those problems that almost every other western democracy has figured out that is simply impossible to fix in the US.
    - tcbawo 6y ago
      It's probably a given that other western democracies have less police-related violence. Which countries have the best systems? I suspect the impass will be worked around rather than fixed. Quasi-police will take on some law enforcement duties. Technology will intercede in a big way. Our public anonymity is probably already out the door. I wouldn't be surprised if many looters are tracked and identified even with face masks, even retroactively.
  - klyrs 6y ago
    > ... yet critical for a functional society. Citation needed.
    - thephyber 6y ago
      This article[1] from during the NYPD "slowdown" of 2015 suggests we actually don't need police as much at Blue Liners claim. [1] https://www.vox.com/2015/1/6/7501953/nypd-mayor-arrests-union https://www.vox.com/2015/1/6/7501953/nypd-mayor-arrests-unio...
  - OpieCunningham 6y ago
    >> Being a police officer is a ... thankless ... job Police officers are regularly held up as heroes, and often afforded special privileges in everyday life. If anything, they are irrationally worshipped.
  - komali2 6y ago
    You say this, and yet crime went down when NYPD went on strike. I'm not saying we get rid of all cops... But I also don't see any reason for them to have an Ironman suit for every officer.
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- thelittleone 6y ago
  Governments naturally fear giving protestors what they want as it validates this course of action and may lead to more protests.
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somebrody 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking Above, they cherry-picked a few cops that just happen to be the chief of police. It's not that simple. You don't understand the institutions involved if you highlight these examples. Police, police unions, district attorneys, etc. It's not simple.
- dexen 6y ago
  >cherry picking Baseless accusation. The protests are mostly in the blue-voting cities, and the GP's list is representative. [edit] Here is how it works: Minneapolis, Chief of Police: nominated (...) by the Mayor of Minneapolis (Betsy Hodges) [1] Seattle, Chief of Police: [n]ominated by Mayor Jenny Durkan [2] St Louis, Comissioner of Police: appointed as the 35th Commissioners of the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department on December 28, 2017 by Mayor Lyda Krewson [3] Atlanta Chief of Police: Mayor of Atlanta Kasim Reed announced on December 1, 2016, that he had chosen Shields [4] Chicago Superintended of the Chicago Police Department: The City Council on Wednesday voted 50-0 to appoint former Dallas Police Chief David Brown to lead the Chicago Police Department [5] Oakland Chief of Police: Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf announced Monday that she has appointed former San Mateo Police Chief Susan Manheimer as Oakland’s interim police chief [6] -- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medaria_Arradondo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medaria_Arradondo [2] https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/carmen-best-confirmed-as-seattle-police-chief/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/carmen-be... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hayden_Jr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hayden_Jr. [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erika_Shields https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erika_Shields [5] https://news.wttw.com/2020/04/22/david-brown-confirmed-chicago-city-council-new-top-cop https://news.wttw.com/2020/04/22/david-brown-confirmed-chica... [6] https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Oakland-Mayor-appoints-new-interim-police-chief-15152216.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Oakland-Mayor-ap...
  - ciarannolan 6y ago
    >The protests are mostly in the blue-voting cities Yes, in the cities where most people in this country live. Where people are most educated. Where most minorities live. But sure, them darn demz, at it again.
somebrody 6y ago
Also, you don't understand the institutions involved if you highlight these examples. Police, police unions, district attorneys, etc. It's not simple
HarryHirsch 6y ago
It's crocodile tears. Police chiefs knew all along about the deplorable amount of racism and casual violence on their forces, they just chose to ignore them. Now the political winds are shifting and they have to go along to keep their jobs.
- emperorsclothes 6y ago
  Strange to see wild narratives on HN about police racism and violence that have no basis in reality.
  - HarryHirsch 6y ago
    They could have spoken up after that Brunswick murder but waited until this Monday, when Minneapolis went up in flames. That's how I know.
  - ciarannolan 6y ago
    In *your reality, for which you should be greatful.
  - xvector 6y ago
    Hundreds of videos have emerged of police brutality over the past few days. In how many of those videos do you see "good cops" taking down those bad cops committing acts of brutality? Almost never. I myself have only seen two videos where this has been the case, out of hundreds! Police racism and violence is an issue, but it becomes egregious when the rest of the police force just stands by.
    - Larrikin 6y ago
      >Almost never. Are there any videos or stories at all over the past few days? There have been reports in some cities of the actual good cops here and there taking part in the protests and actually looking like they want to improve things in their communities, but I haven't heard of anything where the police have intervened on cops that were escalating violence and brutalizing protesters. It would be a pretty big turning point in the protests if this is actually happening
ciarannolan 6y ago
>People on HN seem to have a cartoon villain view of police What could possibly give people that impression? https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/police_shoots_protestor_for_no_reason/fsg94zy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/poli...
- nostromo 6y ago
  "Police commanders ... WANT mayhem" That's what I responded to. I'm curious if you truly think the people that I listed want to see their home towns on fire.
  - HarryHirsch 6y ago
    If it increases their power and budget - sure! It's not as if they were personally affected.
  - somebrody 6y ago
    > I'm curious if you truly think the people that I listed want to see their home towns on fire When given a choice to protect murderous cops or prevent a fire, they chose to protect the murderous cops. All the cops have to do is go to jail, get a court date, post bail and sit at home. Why can't a cop that murdered someone be that inconvenienced?
  - aaronbrethorst 6y ago
    Most Police Don’t Live In The Cities They Serve: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-police-dont-live-in-the-cities-they-serve/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-police-dont-live-i... Chicago: 88% of police live in city St Louis: 59% Atlanta: 14% Minneapolis: 10% (white officers: 5%) Seattle: 12% Oakland: 9% Also, certainly in Minneapolis—and likely elsewhere—the police chief doesn't seem to have nearly as much control over rank and file officers as the union head does. This story gives more texture: https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2020/05/minneapolis-police-union-president-kroll-george-floyd-racism/ https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2020/05/minneapoli...
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danharaj 6y ago
It would be less outrageous if it weren't our fellow man brutalizing our brothers and sisters but some goblins from out of civilization. They're butchers. They know what's happening and their part in it.
selimthegrim 6y ago
Yeah, I'm sure Arradondo is calling the shots vs Bob Kroll
JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago
If the Chief's are good, why aren't the cops good? And more specifically, why are their peers complicit when one "makes a mistake", which is an incredibly generous statement when the incident involves losing a human life. Pointing to a few good eggs doesn't bless all of them.
vkou 6y ago
Meanwhile, in Seattle: https://old.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gu3qq1/cop_just_casually_tosses_tear_gas_at_my_feet_like/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gu3qq1/cop_just_ca... How would you describe the sheriff casually tossing the tear gas grenade as anything but cartoonishly evil? How would you describe his co-workers, holding the line, without even looking twice at his behaviour?
- whymauri 6y ago
  Seattle PD maced a child and the officer who did it faced no repercussions. Is the Chief of Police a toothless position? The only other conclusion is that maybe GP should consider removing Seattle's Chief as a supporting example. I would consider macing children to be "cartoonishly evil."
  - vkou 6y ago
    And earlier today, SPD invited, met with, and knelt in solidarity with a group of peaceful protesters at the East Precinct on Cap hill. Once the photo op was done, they started macing and gassing the protest. There was no looting, no vandalism, no riot, no burnt cars in that area. Nobody was behaving violently. It took ten seconds for a peaceful protest to turn into an assault on the public. https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gv0ru3/this_is_the_moment_it_all_happened/?utm_medium=usertext&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=Seattle&utm_content=t1_fsm1kep https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gv0ru3/this_is_the... Local news ran this video, cutting the first 20 seconds out, and blamed the crowd on starting violence.
  - thephyber 6y ago
    > Is the Chief of Police a toothless position? Kinda. In big cities in states with strong union laws, the burden is very high for cause to fire an officer. Even when there is a firing, the officer can appeal and sometimes be reinstated. It opens the department up to liability if they don't wait for the normal "follow the evidence, build the case" flow. When there are big protests in big cities, the regional police departments actually share officers. I would bet that about half of officers on the riot line in Seattle were actually from surrounding suburbs or from the state police. I don't think Seattle's chief can fire one of those officers; he would have to do an inter-agency thing that I'm sure is pretty complicated. Also, the chief has to walk a thin line of perverse incentives. He needs the department to be functional and to do that, he can't be seen as making an example of an officer (for "morale" reasons). He also has to consider that police officers will leave a department in droves and the chief ends up with more problems if crime rises due to "bad management" of the department.
8note 6y ago
Sure thats the Seattle police chief, but who leads the police union? This guy: https://youtu.be/b6cJQ1XBH8M https://youtu.be/b6cJQ1XBH8M who fits the cartoon villain side of things
- thephyber 6y ago
  I thought this exact point when I saw the parent. There are two public faces to every department anytime an officer-involved story hits the news. The police chief is a slick salesperson to put the department in the best light and is accountable to the mayor / city council. The union leader is the slimy salesperson who always paints the suspect/chief/mayor in the worst possible light and who constantly repeats the refrain "the job is hard", "we are only human", "followed standard department procedure", etc. There are a number of notable union leaders who are detestable caricatures of cartoon villains.
  - thephyber 6y ago
    After re-reading this, I think I left out some detail about the purpose of the Union leader. They have a fiduciary responsibility to protect the union (the members and the dues). They are not accountable to or elected by the public (in their role as union leader). That said, they don't have to be cartoonish villains, but frequently are because their role is to pull heartstrings for police officers, not for the civilian/victim in the narrative.
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PascLeRasc 6y ago
Nostromo, I'm the CEO of Nickelodeon, and I want to thank you for sharing this. I've directed my team of animators to re-work their characters to better match reality. The people shooting at you in real life should be in Paw Patrol too!
- cossatot 6y ago
  I thought Paw Patrol had already covered this: "‘Paw Patrol’ Writers Defend Episode Where German Shepherd Cop Shoots Unarmed Black Lab 17 Times In Back"[1] [1]: https://entertainment.theonion.com/paw-patrol-writers-defend-episode-where-german-shephe-1828419524 https://entertainment.theonion.com/paw-patrol-writers-defend...
  - MagnumOpus 6y ago
    The Onion.

panic 6y ago

The police could stop the protests instantly by changing how they deal with racist officers and officers who kill people. They would rather escalate the situation than make these changes.

tcbawo 6y ago
Being a police officer is a difficult, thankless, dangerous job, yet critical for a functional society. You don't get the same resources, respect, or pension of the military. If you are let go/fired, you have little chance of finding something comparable close by. It's not healthy for the psyche to be put into harm's way for an entire career span. There is probably a lot of untreated PTSD going on. It's not surprising that they are very leery of policies that would put them or fellow officers at risk, or be guinea pigs for policies pushed down from above. People get awkward or remain guarded around police in social settings, so law enforcement tends to fraternize with each other and their families. None of this makes for an environment that promotes transparency. I'm not making any judgements for or against any of the events that have transpired. But I have sympathy for everyone involved. I suspect that the police-public dynamic will never be changed without a significant cultural shift in attitudes.
- slg 6y ago
  I guess this is just another one of those problems that almost every other western democracy has figured out that is simply impossible to fix in the US.
  - tcbawo 6y ago
    It's probably a given that other western democracies have less police-related violence. Which countries have the best systems? I suspect the impass will be worked around rather than fixed. Quasi-police will take on some law enforcement duties. Technology will intercede in a big way. Our public anonymity is probably already out the door. I wouldn't be surprised if many looters are tracked and identified even with face masks, even retroactively.
- klyrs 6y ago
  > ... yet critical for a functional society. Citation needed.
  - thephyber 6y ago
    This article[1] from during the NYPD "slowdown" of 2015 suggests we actually don't need police as much at Blue Liners claim. [1] https://www.vox.com/2015/1/6/7501953/nypd-mayor-arrests-union https://www.vox.com/2015/1/6/7501953/nypd-mayor-arrests-unio...
- OpieCunningham 6y ago
  >> Being a police officer is a ... thankless ... job Police officers are regularly held up as heroes, and often afforded special privileges in everyday life. If anything, they are irrationally worshipped.
- komali2 6y ago
  You say this, and yet crime went down when NYPD went on strike. I'm not saying we get rid of all cops... But I also don't see any reason for them to have an Ironman suit for every officer.
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thelittleone 6y ago
Governments naturally fear giving protestors what they want as it validates this course of action and may lead to more protests.
- deleted 6y ago
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somebrody 6y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking Above, they cherry-picked a few cops that just happen to be the chief of police. It's not that simple. You don't understand the institutions involved if you highlight these examples. Police, police unions, district attorneys, etc. It's not simple.

dexen 6y ago
>cherry picking Baseless accusation. The protests are mostly in the blue-voting cities, and the GP's list is representative. [edit] Here is how it works: Minneapolis, Chief of Police: nominated (...) by the Mayor of Minneapolis (Betsy Hodges) [1] Seattle, Chief of Police: [n]ominated by Mayor Jenny Durkan [2] St Louis, Comissioner of Police: appointed as the 35th Commissioners of the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department on December 28, 2017 by Mayor Lyda Krewson [3] Atlanta Chief of Police: Mayor of Atlanta Kasim Reed announced on December 1, 2016, that he had chosen Shields [4] Chicago Superintended of the Chicago Police Department: The City Council on Wednesday voted 50-0 to appoint former Dallas Police Chief David Brown to lead the Chicago Police Department [5] Oakland Chief of Police: Oakland Mayor Libby Schaaf announced Monday that she has appointed former San Mateo Police Chief Susan Manheimer as Oakland’s interim police chief [6] -- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medaria_Arradondo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medaria_Arradondo [2] https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/carmen-best-confirmed-as-seattle-police-chief/ https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/carmen-be... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hayden_Jr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hayden_Jr. [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erika_Shields https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erika_Shields [5] https://news.wttw.com/2020/04/22/david-brown-confirmed-chicago-city-council-new-top-cop https://news.wttw.com/2020/04/22/david-brown-confirmed-chica... [6] https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Oakland-Mayor-appoints-new-interim-police-chief-15152216.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Oakland-Mayor-ap...
- ciarannolan 6y ago
  >The protests are mostly in the blue-voting cities Yes, in the cities where most people in this country live. Where people are most educated. Where most minorities live. But sure, them darn demz, at it again.

somebrody 6y ago

Also, you don't understand the institutions involved if you highlight these examples. Police, police unions, district attorneys, etc. It's not simple

HarryHirsch 6y ago

It's crocodile tears. Police chiefs knew all along about the deplorable amount of racism and casual violence on their forces, they just chose to ignore them. Now the political winds are shifting and they have to go along to keep their jobs.

emperorsclothes 6y ago
Strange to see wild narratives on HN about police racism and violence that have no basis in reality.
- HarryHirsch 6y ago
  They could have spoken up after that Brunswick murder but waited until this Monday, when Minneapolis went up in flames. That's how I know.
- ciarannolan 6y ago
  In *your reality, for which you should be greatful.
- xvector 6y ago
  Hundreds of videos have emerged of police brutality over the past few days. In how many of those videos do you see "good cops" taking down those bad cops committing acts of brutality? Almost never. I myself have only seen two videos where this has been the case, out of hundreds! Police racism and violence is an issue, but it becomes egregious when the rest of the police force just stands by.
  - Larrikin 6y ago
    >Almost never. Are there any videos or stories at all over the past few days? There have been reports in some cities of the actual good cops here and there taking part in the protests and actually looking like they want to improve things in their communities, but I haven't heard of anything where the police have intervened on cops that were escalating violence and brutalizing protesters. It would be a pretty big turning point in the protests if this is actually happening

ciarannolan 6y ago

>People on HN seem to have a cartoon villain view of police What could possibly give people that impression? https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/police_shoots_protestor_for_no_reason/fsg94zy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/poli...

nostromo 6y ago
"Police commanders ... WANT mayhem" That's what I responded to. I'm curious if you truly think the people that I listed want to see their home towns on fire.
- HarryHirsch 6y ago
  If it increases their power and budget - sure! It's not as if they were personally affected.
- somebrody 6y ago
  > I'm curious if you truly think the people that I listed want to see their home towns on fire When given a choice to protect murderous cops or prevent a fire, they chose to protect the murderous cops. All the cops have to do is go to jail, get a court date, post bail and sit at home. Why can't a cop that murdered someone be that inconvenienced?
- aaronbrethorst 6y ago
  Most Police Don’t Live In The Cities They Serve: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-police-dont-live-in-the-cities-they-serve/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/most-police-dont-live-i... Chicago: 88% of police live in city St Louis: 59% Atlanta: 14% Minneapolis: 10% (white officers: 5%) Seattle: 12% Oakland: 9% Also, certainly in Minneapolis—and likely elsewhere—the police chief doesn't seem to have nearly as much control over rank and file officers as the union head does. This story gives more texture: https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2020/05/minneapolis-police-union-president-kroll-george-floyd-racism/ https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2020/05/minneapoli...
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danharaj 6y ago

It would be less outrageous if it weren't our fellow man brutalizing our brothers and sisters but some goblins from out of civilization. They're butchers. They know what's happening and their part in it.

selimthegrim 6y ago

Yeah, I'm sure Arradondo is calling the shots vs Bob Kroll

JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago

If the Chief's are good, why aren't the cops good? And more specifically, why are their peers complicit when one "makes a mistake", which is an incredibly generous statement when the incident involves losing a human life. Pointing to a few good eggs doesn't bless all of them.

vkou 6y ago

Meanwhile, in Seattle: https://old.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gu3qq1/cop_just_casually_tosses_tear_gas_at_my_feet_like/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gu3qq1/cop_just_ca... How would you describe the sheriff casually tossing the tear gas grenade as anything but cartoonishly evil? How would you describe his co-workers, holding the line, without even looking twice at his behaviour?

whymauri 6y ago
Seattle PD maced a child and the officer who did it faced no repercussions. Is the Chief of Police a toothless position? The only other conclusion is that maybe GP should consider removing Seattle's Chief as a supporting example. I would consider macing children to be "cartoonishly evil."
- vkou 6y ago
  And earlier today, SPD invited, met with, and knelt in solidarity with a group of peaceful protesters at the East Precinct on Cap hill. Once the photo op was done, they started macing and gassing the protest. There was no looting, no vandalism, no riot, no burnt cars in that area. Nobody was behaving violently. It took ten seconds for a peaceful protest to turn into an assault on the public. https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gv0ru3/this_is_the_moment_it_all_happened/?utm_medium=usertext&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=Seattle&utm_content=t1_fsm1kep https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gv0ru3/this_is_the... Local news ran this video, cutting the first 20 seconds out, and blamed the crowd on starting violence.
- thephyber 6y ago
  > Is the Chief of Police a toothless position? Kinda. In big cities in states with strong union laws, the burden is very high for cause to fire an officer. Even when there is a firing, the officer can appeal and sometimes be reinstated. It opens the department up to liability if they don't wait for the normal "follow the evidence, build the case" flow. When there are big protests in big cities, the regional police departments actually share officers. I would bet that about half of officers on the riot line in Seattle were actually from surrounding suburbs or from the state police. I don't think Seattle's chief can fire one of those officers; he would have to do an inter-agency thing that I'm sure is pretty complicated. Also, the chief has to walk a thin line of perverse incentives. He needs the department to be functional and to do that, he can't be seen as making an example of an officer (for "morale" reasons). He also has to consider that police officers will leave a department in droves and the chief ends up with more problems if crime rises due to "bad management" of the department.

8note 6y ago

Sure thats the Seattle police chief, but who leads the police union? This guy: https://youtu.be/b6cJQ1XBH8M https://youtu.be/b6cJQ1XBH8M who fits the cartoon villain side of things

thephyber 6y ago
I thought this exact point when I saw the parent. There are two public faces to every department anytime an officer-involved story hits the news. The police chief is a slick salesperson to put the department in the best light and is accountable to the mayor / city council. The union leader is the slimy salesperson who always paints the suspect/chief/mayor in the worst possible light and who constantly repeats the refrain "the job is hard", "we are only human", "followed standard department procedure", etc. There are a number of notable union leaders who are detestable caricatures of cartoon villains.
- thephyber 6y ago
  After re-reading this, I think I left out some detail about the purpose of the Union leader. They have a fiduciary responsibility to protect the union (the members and the dues). They are not accountable to or elected by the public (in their role as union leader). That said, they don't have to be cartoonish villains, but frequently are because their role is to pull heartstrings for police officers, not for the civilian/victim in the narrative.

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PascLeRasc 6y ago

Nostromo, I'm the CEO of Nickelodeon, and I want to thank you for sharing this. I've directed my team of animators to re-work their characters to better match reality. The people shooting at you in real life should be in Paw Patrol too!

cossatot 6y ago
I thought Paw Patrol had already covered this: "‘Paw Patrol’ Writers Defend Episode Where German Shepherd Cop Shoots Unarmed Black Lab 17 Times In Back"[1] [1]: https://entertainment.theonion.com/paw-patrol-writers-defend-episode-where-german-shephe-1828419524 https://entertainment.theonion.com/paw-patrol-writers-defend...
- MagnumOpus 6y ago
  The Onion.