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The way I've always viewed that quote is to realize that looting or rioting is "assholes and criminals", but the frustration coming out in a violent way. So it'

The way I've always viewed that quote is to realize that looting or rioting is "assholes and criminals", but the frustration coming out in a violent way. So it's less to justify the rioting but to show that it's source is from injustice.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
This article is very much trying to justify the rioting, though. It quotes a statement from John Lewis asking the rioters to be calm, and then explains why he's wrong and they should not be calm. "The human capacity for patience and endurance, in the face of blatant injustice, is not without limits", the author says. "We don’t have time to finger-wag at protesters about property", Garza says. I don't know how to read these statements except as calls to continue rioting.
- mc32 6y ago
  It’s odd that they do that because I doubt the readership of the mag are actually gonna go down there and possibly get in harm’s way. So what’s the point?
  - eanzenberg 6y ago
    Yes in 2020 we are arguing whether violence is justified :/
    - happytoexplain 6y ago
      This is pretty reductionist and dismissive. Being an utterly pure pacifist is awesome, but it's hard to believe you actually think the violence question is a solvable problem that can arrive at a place where there is never another argument.
      - eanzenberg 6y ago
        What? I live in a civilized world and use my words when I disagree or want something.
- tareqak 6y ago
  I see where you, the parent, the grandparent, and the article are all coming from. Initially, I thought that it might have been a confusion about the word riot, but a riot requires violence [0]. Instead, I think the point of contention is whether or not peaceful protests can continue to be held once rioting starts. Within a specific time and a specific place, I can see the answer being no if the group of peaceful protesters do not separate and move elsewhere to continue protesting peacefully. However, I disagree with the notion that violent outbursts by others disqualifies or disallows the peaceful protestors from continuing to protest overall if the reason for their protest remains ongoing. If that sort of disqualification is allowed, then what would stop others from performing violent acts in an attempt to derail the peaceful protests? The G20 protests in Toronto come to my mind [1][2]. One person found that some people who were arrested had the same boots as the police arresting them; however, this source might be biased [3]. This sort of operation is known as a false flag [4]. [0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/riot https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/riot [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_G20_Toronto_summit_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_G20_Toronto_summit_protes... [2] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/how-police-infiltrated-groups-planning-g20-protests/article4170473/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/how-police-inf... [3] https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-toronto-g20-riot-fraud-undercover-police-engaged-in-purposeful-provocation/19928 https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-toronto-g20-riot-fraud-und... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag Update: A false flag event did happen on Twitter: White nationalist group posing as antifa called for violence on Twitter - https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-was...
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    And I completely feel where the protesters are coming from. They have every right to be angry and every right to protest. But when there are gangs of looters roving the streets, sometimes our rights have to be temporarily restricted to stop them.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

This article is very much trying to justify the rioting, though. It quotes a statement from John Lewis asking the rioters to be calm, and then explains why he's wrong and they should not be calm. "The human capacity for patience and endurance, in the face of blatant injustice, is not without limits", the author says. "We don’t have time to finger-wag at protesters about property", Garza says. I don't know how to read these statements except as calls to continue rioting.

mc32 6y ago
It’s odd that they do that because I doubt the readership of the mag are actually gonna go down there and possibly get in harm’s way. So what’s the point?
- eanzenberg 6y ago
  Yes in 2020 we are arguing whether violence is justified :/
  - happytoexplain 6y ago
    This is pretty reductionist and dismissive. Being an utterly pure pacifist is awesome, but it's hard to believe you actually think the violence question is a solvable problem that can arrive at a place where there is never another argument.
    - eanzenberg 6y ago
      What? I live in a civilized world and use my words when I disagree or want something.
tareqak 6y ago
I see where you, the parent, the grandparent, and the article are all coming from. Initially, I thought that it might have been a confusion about the word riot, but a riot requires violence [0]. Instead, I think the point of contention is whether or not peaceful protests can continue to be held once rioting starts. Within a specific time and a specific place, I can see the answer being no if the group of peaceful protesters do not separate and move elsewhere to continue protesting peacefully. However, I disagree with the notion that violent outbursts by others disqualifies or disallows the peaceful protestors from continuing to protest overall if the reason for their protest remains ongoing. If that sort of disqualification is allowed, then what would stop others from performing violent acts in an attempt to derail the peaceful protests? The G20 protests in Toronto come to my mind [1][2]. One person found that some people who were arrested had the same boots as the police arresting them; however, this source might be biased [3]. This sort of operation is known as a false flag [4]. [0] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/riot https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/riot [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_G20_Toronto_summit_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_G20_Toronto_summit_protes... [2] https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/how-police-infiltrated-groups-planning-g20-protests/article4170473/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/how-police-inf... [3] https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-toronto-g20-riot-fraud-undercover-police-engaged-in-purposeful-provocation/19928 https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-toronto-g20-riot-fraud-und... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag Update: A false flag event did happen on Twitter: White nationalist group posing as antifa called for violence on Twitter - https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-washington-protest-disinformation-bot-behavior-n1221456 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/twitter-takes-down-was...
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  And I completely feel where the protesters are coming from. They have every right to be angry and every right to protest. But when there are gangs of looters roving the streets, sometimes our rights have to be temporarily restricted to stop them.