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Humans do it with vision alone, do they not? This seems to be a failure of processing, not data.

thefounder 6y ago
How do you think the objects are detected with "vision" by autopilot? Are you considerig classifying all the objects in the world in all the possible situations so that that dumb computer can avoid them? So far that seems the plan.
- skellington 6y ago
  You don't need to train with every object in the world to train in the general concept of road occluders. Autopilot users are ALWAYS supposed to watch the road and take control in unusual circumstances. Like an autopilot system in an airplane, it will fly you straight into a mountain if you give it that course and don't monitor where you are.
  - thefounder 6y ago
    >> Autopilot users are ALWAYS supposed to watch the road and take control in unusual circumstances. It looks like there is no single general concept of road occluders. If autopilot can't avoid a big object in the middle of the road what is it good for? Tesla claims to provide more than an airplane autopilot, they say its tech would avoid that mountain.
Melting_Harps 6y ago
> Humans do it with vision alone, do they not? This seems to be a failure of processing, not data. In the best case scenario, sure, but having been in Motorsports since I was 16 and then a lot of my Adult Life in the Auto Industry the reality is a resounding: NO, Humans are horrible behind the wheel of what is essentially a less-volatile bomb with 4 wheels. I won't even mention my time riding around on a motorcycle on the street, as I have literately looked into the eyes of a driver only to see them make the mistake anyway--it's why I have to have a straight-pipe liter bike for the street, we've tested this and you can seriously hear me 1/3 mile away. Its astonishing how bad 99% of drivers are and realistically don't have the reaction times needed to drive anything with that much weight much less power in public and yet me let them anyway. Hell, during this weekend's protests saw police and normal citizens running straight into People on the street with signs, why isn't that seen in this same light? So, it is exactly because of those experiences that I have to side with this failure being just one of the many to get us to a more viable future where cars are fully autonomous. Its a shame, I'm just glad I got to live and learn in era where Humans were able to do what seems an entirely absurd thing.
moralestapia 6y ago
Yes and no, if you were driving based on a stream of fixed, low-res, low-framerate video you would definitely crash more often than you do now. You're also disregarding the (hugely important) role of other senses like sound and stuff like "I saw a bike coming from the right 10 seconds ago, where should it be now?".

How do you think the objects are detected with "vision" by autopilot? Are you considerig classifying all the objects in the world in all the possible situations so that that dumb computer can avoid them? So far that seems the plan.

skellington 6y ago
You don't need to train with every object in the world to train in the general concept of road occluders. Autopilot users are ALWAYS supposed to watch the road and take control in unusual circumstances. Like an autopilot system in an airplane, it will fly you straight into a mountain if you give it that course and don't monitor where you are.
- thefounder 6y ago
  >> Autopilot users are ALWAYS supposed to watch the road and take control in unusual circumstances. It looks like there is no single general concept of road occluders. If autopilot can't avoid a big object in the middle of the road what is it good for? Tesla claims to provide more than an airplane autopilot, they say its tech would avoid that mountain.

Melting_Harps 6y ago

> Humans do it with vision alone, do they not? This seems to be a failure of processing, not data. In the best case scenario, sure, but having been in Motorsports since I was 16 and then a lot of my Adult Life in the Auto Industry the reality is a resounding: NO, Humans are horrible behind the wheel of what is essentially a less-volatile bomb with 4 wheels. I won't even mention my time riding around on a motorcycle on the street, as I have literately looked into the eyes of a driver only to see them make the mistake anyway--it's why I have to have a straight-pipe liter bike for the street, we've tested this and you can seriously hear me 1/3 mile away. Its astonishing how bad 99% of drivers are and realistically don't have the reaction times needed to drive anything with that much weight much less power in public and yet me let them anyway. Hell, during this weekend's protests saw police and normal citizens running straight into People on the street with signs, why isn't that seen in this same light? So, it is exactly because of those experiences that I have to side with this failure being just one of the many to get us to a more viable future where cars are fully autonomous. Its a shame, I'm just glad I got to live and learn in era where Humans were able to do what seems an entirely absurd thing.

moralestapia 6y ago

Yes and no, if you were driving based on a stream of fixed, low-res, low-framerate video you would definitely crash more often than you do now. You're also disregarding the (hugely important) role of other senses like sound and stuff like "I saw a bike coming from the right 10 seconds ago, where should it be now?".