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The EU has pretty good evidence for this - the UK won't even agree to any realistic terms, where "realistic" is defined as not only giving the EU everything the

by makomk 6y ago

The EU has pretty good evidence for this - the UK won't even agree to any realistic terms, where "realistic" is defined as not only giving the EU everything they want now but also anything they might want in the future, making them the ones who unilaterally decide how the deal is interpreted, and giving them and only them the ability to punish the UK for perceived violations of the deal. I'm not sure this belongs on HN though. As you might gather, this is 100% politics in its purist form.

draw_down 6y ago
Sounds like those big meanies in the EU are negotiating and defending their interests. What a bunch of jerks.
quonn 6y ago
Do you have a source?
- makomk 6y ago
  Probably not easily, since most of the mainstream press have been spinning whatever the EU demands as a normal, inevitable part of making a trade deal. You basically have to pay attention to what other trade deals are like, what's in the deal and isn't mentioned in the news coverage...
- noir-york 6y ago
  Just take a look at the EU's fisheries position which is basically the status quo as if the UK had never left the EU. Which is crazy; either the UK has left the EU and so cannot enjoy the same market access as a member, and the EU correspondingly has reduced access to UK market, or else there is full access for both parties. Source: https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-uk-fishing-in-troubled-waters-in-brexit-talks/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-uk-fishing-in-troubled-wa...
  - evgen 6y ago
    The EU fisheries position is simply that the UK gets no special favours. The problem the UK faces is that the fish they catch are varieties that are mostly sold to European markets because UK consumers don't want them. Now they want the benefits of their own fisheries policy and to somehow magically get free access to the EU market to sell those fish they catch. Oh, and a large chunk of the fishing rights to those waters were sold by UK fishermen to EU fishermen several decades ago.
  - orwin 6y ago
    Under EU law, 20% of a country territorial water have to be use as a "fish recovery area", essentially no-fish zone to help the stocks regenerate. This worked well in the North Sea, but it seems that those zone are not respected at all by English Fishermen in the English Channel (i only have anecdata from partisan fishermen so take this with a grain of salt). The Bretons think the french coastal police only prohibit French nationnals to fish in protected waters and do nothing about English fishermen, and this is causing ressentment. Most fishes they catch in the english channel are not consummed by the UK but sold to French consummers anyway, and this is not really helping (also the support for free market is dropping real fast around here). The opinion in britanny right now about fish is "please no deal!" Most of them don't care if the access to UK waters is cut: they know that if the English channel fisheries can't sell in France, they will soon start to sell access to those waters. Tbh, i'm starting to think this is the best long-term solution. Either we lose something big and we will be renegotiating terms shortly after, causing short-term losses but long-term gains, or nothing of importance really happens economically and everyone is happy.
dmitriid 6y ago
What you mean to say is: The UK wants all the advantages of an EU country with none of the responsibilities. And when that is denied, it throws a tantrum. Ad nauseam.
baq 6y ago
shouldn't things impacting hundreds of millions of people, hackers included, be discussed at this site? 1) people are political and 2) this isn't a pure technology forum.

by makomk 6y ago

draw_down 6y ago

Sounds like those big meanies in the EU are negotiating and defending their interests. What a bunch of jerks.

quonn 6y ago

Do you have a source?

makomk 6y ago
Probably not easily, since most of the mainstream press have been spinning whatever the EU demands as a normal, inevitable part of making a trade deal. You basically have to pay attention to what other trade deals are like, what's in the deal and isn't mentioned in the news coverage...
noir-york 6y ago
Just take a look at the EU's fisheries position which is basically the status quo as if the UK had never left the EU. Which is crazy; either the UK has left the EU and so cannot enjoy the same market access as a member, and the EU correspondingly has reduced access to UK market, or else there is full access for both parties. Source: https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-uk-fishing-in-troubled-waters-in-brexit-talks/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-uk-fishing-in-troubled-wa...
- evgen 6y ago
  The EU fisheries position is simply that the UK gets no special favours. The problem the UK faces is that the fish they catch are varieties that are mostly sold to European markets because UK consumers don't want them. Now they want the benefits of their own fisheries policy and to somehow magically get free access to the EU market to sell those fish they catch. Oh, and a large chunk of the fishing rights to those waters were sold by UK fishermen to EU fishermen several decades ago.
- orwin 6y ago
  Under EU law, 20% of a country territorial water have to be use as a "fish recovery area", essentially no-fish zone to help the stocks regenerate. This worked well in the North Sea, but it seems that those zone are not respected at all by English Fishermen in the English Channel (i only have anecdata from partisan fishermen so take this with a grain of salt). The Bretons think the french coastal police only prohibit French nationnals to fish in protected waters and do nothing about English fishermen, and this is causing ressentment. Most fishes they catch in the english channel are not consummed by the UK but sold to French consummers anyway, and this is not really helping (also the support for free market is dropping real fast around here). The opinion in britanny right now about fish is "please no deal!" Most of them don't care if the access to UK waters is cut: they know that if the English channel fisheries can't sell in France, they will soon start to sell access to those waters. Tbh, i'm starting to think this is the best long-term solution. Either we lose something big and we will be renegotiating terms shortly after, causing short-term losses but long-term gains, or nothing of importance really happens economically and everyone is happy.

dmitriid 6y ago

What you mean to say is: The UK wants all the advantages of an EU country with none of the responsibilities. And when that is denied, it throws a tantrum. Ad nauseam.

baq 6y ago

shouldn't things impacting hundreds of millions of people, hackers included, be discussed at this site? 1) people are political and 2) this isn't a pure technology forum.