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The sad thing is, there are good jurisdictions (they may have their issues, but generally fair) around, yet local activists will use issue X in city Y as an exc

The sad thing is, there are good jurisdictions (they may have their issues, but generally fair) around, yet local activists will use issue X in city Y as an excuse to blame their own local PD for some unrelated issue. This is happening in Santa Cruz right now where local homeless “advocates” (more about themselves) are attempting to co-opt a protest to blaming SCPD on perceived slights regarding homeless issues. This is a normal tactic for this group.

javajosh 6y ago
It would be useful to put together a taxonomy of error modes that a social issue can have when it becomes famous. For example, accusing the victim of faking it ("crisis actors"), accusing protestors of overreacting ("thugs"), claiming that protestors have foreign elements making things worse ("auslander thugs"), and of course claiming that nothing happened to begin with, or the evidence for the claim was faked. No doubt this is a very long list, limited only by human rhetorical ingenuity.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  Some claims are fake, though. Your strategy for distinguishing between true and false claims can't just be "oh I've identified that as an error mode".
  - javajosh 6y ago
    Oh I didn't say anything about truth value of the error mode! That's a different matter. I just think its remarkable how creative humans are when it comes to being sneaky.
  - jmspring 6y ago
    Here is a photo. Food Not Bombs is a broader organization, but Keith McHenry, a founder of FNB, will do everything to promote his agenda atop of what is popular - https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/101659755_10222370868330582_9004543148180897792_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=ca434c&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=QhBaGiPGmeQAX8IMg1T&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=8fec22aadfacc4068839fa5f5e417421&oe=5EF8F30C https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65...
cosmodisk 6y ago
This is similar to when a large company has lots of divisios,where in one only nice people work,while in other they are all assholes. But the problem is that despite these differences, they all sit under the same hat.In this case, it's the police and one bad action resonates and makes it even more difficult for the good people to do the job.In recent events,it should have been other policemen going out and screaming "this is not normal,we don't work like that".
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  In many areas the policemen have been participating in the protests.

javajosh 6y ago

It would be useful to put together a taxonomy of error modes that a social issue can have when it becomes famous. For example, accusing the victim of faking it ("crisis actors"), accusing protestors of overreacting ("thugs"), claiming that protestors have foreign elements making things worse ("auslander thugs"), and of course claiming that nothing happened to begin with, or the evidence for the claim was faked. No doubt this is a very long list, limited only by human rhetorical ingenuity.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Some claims are fake, though. Your strategy for distinguishing between true and false claims can't just be "oh I've identified that as an error mode".
- javajosh 6y ago
  Oh I didn't say anything about truth value of the error mode! That's a different matter. I just think its remarkable how creative humans are when it comes to being sneaky.
- jmspring 6y ago
  Here is a photo. Food Not Bombs is a broader organization, but Keith McHenry, a founder of FNB, will do everything to promote his agenda atop of what is popular - https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/101659755_10222370868330582_9004543148180897792_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=ca434c&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=QhBaGiPGmeQAX8IMg1T&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=8fec22aadfacc4068839fa5f5e417421&oe=5EF8F30C https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65...

cosmodisk 6y ago

This is similar to when a large company has lots of divisios,where in one only nice people work,while in other they are all assholes. But the problem is that despite these differences, they all sit under the same hat.In this case, it's the police and one bad action resonates and makes it even more difficult for the good people to do the job.In recent events,it should have been other policemen going out and screaming "this is not normal,we don't work like that".

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
In many areas the policemen have been participating in the protests.