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What disgusting rhetoric. If something about your democratic and free country upsets you, you are at liberty to talk about it, criticise it, or vote to change i

What disgusting rhetoric. If something about your democratic and free country upsets you, you are at liberty to talk about it, criticise it, or vote to change it, not just 'get out, then' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fZZqDJXOVg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fZZqDJXOVg

tomp 6y ago
How is this poster’s rhetoric “disgusting”? Or are you just usung that to emphasise your strong disagreement?
- Dylan16807 6y ago
  That way of saying "you are free to leave" serves only to suppress dissent, discouraging honest discussion (possibly leading to ballots) about how things should work. I think it's fair to call that a "disgusting" motivation.
- ubercow13 6y ago
  It's basically suggesting that 'if you don't like the status quo, you should leave the country'. Firstly it's ridiculous - you are entitled to live in the country of which you are a citizen and not love everything about it. It's still your home. It's anti-democratic because it's suggesting dissenting or minority views should be pushed out and not have a voice. It's nationalistic because it's sugsesting there is one political view which is associated with belonging to the country, and anyone who doesn't agree with it is not part of that national identity and doesn't belong there. I admit my penchant for democracy might have coloured my language when I called it 'disgusting', though. I wasn't engaging in any way with the substance of their comment.
  - tomp 6y ago
    I like this idea. Voting is just one way, and leaving should definitely not be taken off the table, nor does mentioning that it's always an option imply that you're encouraging people not to vote. You're making up way too much stuff about what the poster actually meant. In particular as they said "if that so upsets you" so obviously not just as a first step but if they literally can't stomach it - you definitely can live in the country if you don't love anything about it, but you also can leave if it's too much. "Voting with your feet." Or are you saying the Jews were absolutely wrong to leave pre-Nazi Germany (while it was still a democracy) because they should have stayed and voted their way out of the problems?

tomp 6y ago

How is this poster’s rhetoric “disgusting”? Or are you just usung that to emphasise your strong disagreement?

Dylan16807 6y ago
That way of saying "you are free to leave" serves only to suppress dissent, discouraging honest discussion (possibly leading to ballots) about how things should work. I think it's fair to call that a "disgusting" motivation.
ubercow13 6y ago
It's basically suggesting that 'if you don't like the status quo, you should leave the country'. Firstly it's ridiculous - you are entitled to live in the country of which you are a citizen and not love everything about it. It's still your home. It's anti-democratic because it's suggesting dissenting or minority views should be pushed out and not have a voice. It's nationalistic because it's sugsesting there is one political view which is associated with belonging to the country, and anyone who doesn't agree with it is not part of that national identity and doesn't belong there. I admit my penchant for democracy might have coloured my language when I called it 'disgusting', though. I wasn't engaging in any way with the substance of their comment.
- tomp 6y ago
  I like this idea. Voting is just one way, and leaving should definitely not be taken off the table, nor does mentioning that it's always an option imply that you're encouraging people not to vote. You're making up way too much stuff about what the poster actually meant. In particular as they said "if that so upsets you" so obviously not just as a first step but if they literally can't stomach it - you definitely can live in the country if you don't love anything about it, but you also can leave if it's too much. "Voting with your feet." Or are you saying the Jews were absolutely wrong to leave pre-Nazi Germany (while it was still a democracy) because they should have stayed and voted their way out of the problems?