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A collection of videos of police brutality

• known 6y ago
  Police (1%) can never succeed without the support of Civilians (99%) https://archive.vn/D3mWZ https://archive.vn/D3mWZ
• arkadiyt 6y ago
  Site seems to be down so I can't check if these are already submitted, but here are some: https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266917228752056320 https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266917228752056320 https://twitter.com/mollypshe/status/1266934680273727491 https://twitter.com/mollypshe/status/1266934680273727491 https://twitter.com/chalametvol6/status/1267059474591879171 https://twitter.com/chalametvol6/status/1267059474591879171 https://twitter.com/mollycrabapple/status/1266942703369105409 https://twitter.com/mollycrabapple/status/126694270336910540... https://twitter.com/zellieimani/status/1267057207172050944 https://twitter.com/zellieimani/status/1267057207172050944 https://twitter.com/stephenjadler/status/1267153715674349568 https://twitter.com/stephenjadler/status/1267153715674349568 https://twitter.com/rsdaza/status/1267200011659554824 https://twitter.com/rsdaza/status/1267200011659554824
  • erentz 6y ago
    Here are some more I've collected. Violence against citizens: https://twitter.com/stribrooks/status/1266186985041022976 https://twitter.com/stribrooks/status/1266186985041022976 https://twitter.com/chieffymac11/status/1266884475268616197 https://twitter.com/chieffymac11/status/1266884475268616197 https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225 https://twitter.com/tkerssen/status/1266921821653385225 https://twitter.com/KCJ_Swish/status/1266913464234237954 https://twitter.com/KCJ_Swish/status/1266913464234237954 https://twitter.com/Booker4KY/status/1266895243913367553 https://twitter.com/Booker4KY/status/1266895243913367553 Violence against reporters: https://twitter.com/chieffymac11/status/1266884475268616197 https://twitter.com/chieffymac11/status/1266884475268616197 https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/1266921035800199170 https://twitter.com/cjzero/status/1266921035800199170 https://twitter.com/MikeGeorgeCBS/status/1266919447970942986 https://twitter.com/MikeGeorgeCBS/status/1266919447970942986 https://twitter.com/MichaelAdams317/status/1266945268567678976 https://twitter.com/MichaelAdams317/status/12669452685676789... https://twitter.com/TinaDesireeBerg/status/1266922413591105536 https://twitter.com/TinaDesireeBerg/status/12669224135911055... https://twitter.com/PLBarghouty/status/1266922618122354690 https://twitter.com/PLBarghouty/status/1266922618122354690 https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1266910910137995264 https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1266910910137995264 https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1266315061209030658 https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1266315061209030658 Police slashing tires of cars left parked in parking lots: https://twitter.com/andrewkimmel/status/1266987126467461120 https://twitter.com/andrewkimmel/status/1266987126467461120 https://twitter.com/brandiiimariiie/status/1266975614378151936 https://twitter.com/brandiiimariiie/status/12669756143781519... https://twitter.com/val_ebertz/status/1266975058230235137 https://twitter.com/val_ebertz/status/1266975058230235137 Examples of good policing: https://twitter.com/midmichigannow/status/1266907736735956996 https://twitter.com/midmichigannow/status/126690773673595699... https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1266895422397779968 https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1266895422397779968 Just one for a little bit of laughter in this depressing time: https://twitter.com/alayahco/status/1266574791307399173 https://twitter.com/alayahco/status/1266574791307399173
    • ars 6y ago
      I didn't check all of them, but the ones about "Police slashing tires", are just someone saying "It was police". They should not be included in your list. You know as well as I do that people are going to lie about it. It does no one any good to include things like that.
  • nullc 6y ago
    > https://twitter.com/mollypshe/status/1266934680273727491 https://twitter.com/mollypshe/status/1266934680273727491 I clicked this. It contains a apparently completely baseless claim that a masked looter is an "undercover cop". The claim also has been denied by the St. Paul police department. Is it your intention to discredit claims of police brutality by repeating apparently false ones?
    • latchkey 6y ago
      Ah yes, cops telling you that they didn't do it. At first I said to myself "he didn't do it, he isn't a cop..." and then I started to think about the source of the information. I'm not taking sides here. I don't know if he did it or not. I just like to question all sources at this point. Just because they say they didn't do it, doesn't mean they didn't do it.
      • nullc 6y ago
        I'd totally buy you argument if there was evidence of it being a cop to begin with. But there isn't, as far as I'm able to determine.
        • latchkey 6y ago
          I'm not arguing he was a cop or not. I'm saying that cops telling you he didn't do it, seems like a questionable source to base your opinion on.
          • nullc 6y ago
            My opinion was based on the claim being apparently baseless. Someone saying "are you a cop?" to a masked person does not make them likely to be a cop-- in fact, it demonstrates that the cop-ness of this person wasn't readily apparent to the people who were actually there. That they denied it is just additional (weak, sure) evidence.
    • komali2 6y ago
      This just in, serial arsonist denies ever committing arson!
• jorblumesea 6y ago
  Is the issue with police brutality a lack of evidence? Not trolling, legitimately asking this. It feels like every year some viral video comes out where police do something horrible, it feels like little progress has been made on the issue. Is it simply a visibility problem?
  • thundergolfer 6y ago
    I think these kind of things do help. For people who consume the right kinds of media, there’s lots of coverage of police brutality and I’m sure some of that coverage uses resources like this. If you’re seeing plenty of viral videos then your media consumption is helping you connect with the issue. Other people rarely or never see coverage though, and aren’t even close to having widespread understanding of the issue of police brutality and it’s relationship with systemic racism, so much more reporting and media production needs to be done.
  • spookybones 6y ago
    More so, it is court protection. Read the verdicts of most police who have been tried in court.
  • dvtrn 6y ago
    Is it simply a visibility problem? Several generations of recorded American history tell us: no. Decent ethical sense tells us: absolutely, emphatically no. Nothing about this is simple.
  • h3cate 6y ago
    The way I see it, a viral video pops up and there's outrage then two weeks later we're onto the next outrage. I am guilty of this myself and this is why I think it is important to collect this so it isn't forgotten.
    • Hamuko 6y ago
      >I am guilty of this myself Aren't you the wrong person to catalogue this stuff then?
• loceng 6y ago
  I think also compiling a list of video and photos of the good police who are joining, supporting police - or protestors who are keeping police safe in certain circumstances - to counterbalance the abuse by reminding people of the humanity. Edit to add for examples: https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu5pqj/a_veteran_protesting_his_government_after/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu5pqj/a_veteran_prot... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtx9am/the_police_taking_a_knee_with_protesters_in_miami/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtx9am/the_police_tak... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtzxn3/were_stronger_together/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtzxn3/were_stronger_... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtu8tp/a_protester_and_a_police_officer_today_in_fargo/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtu8tp/a_protester_an... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gttacf/its_not_white_vs_black_rich_vs_poor_police_vs/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gttacf/its_not_white_... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtq55f/at_a_peaceful_protest_in_fargo_nd/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtq55f/at_a_peaceful_... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu6rdi/police_supporting_reform_what_the_media_doesnt/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu6rdi/police_support... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtr8un/a_conversation_between_protester_police_chief_and/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtr8un/a_conversation... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu5lrf/its_not_black_vs_white_people_it_is_everyone_vs/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu5lrf/its_not_black_... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu6dsz/police_kneeling_with_peaceful_protesters_in_coral/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu6dsz/police_kneelin... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu4ptc/we_need_more_of_this_taken_yesterday_in_buffalo_ny/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu4ptc/we_need_more_o... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtlla0/a_californian_police_chief_taking_a_knee_during_a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtlla0/a_californian_... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtynyd/genesee_county_sheriff_high_fives_a_woman_as_he/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtynyd/genesee_county... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtxiq5/found_this_pic_on_twitter_not_all_cops_or/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtxiq5/found_this_pic... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu60jr/protestors_and_police_come_together_in_flint_mi/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu60jr/protestors_and... https://www.reddit.com/r/UpliftingNews/comments/gtrjby/genesee_county_sheriff_takes_off_his_helmet_sets/ https://www.reddit.com/r/UpliftingNews/comments/gtrjby/genes... https://twitter.com/ZachandMattShow/status/1267208170574938120 https://twitter.com/ZachandMattShow/status/12672081705749381... And some abuse.. https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtsbs8/like_a_boss/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtsbs8/like_a_boss/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtqpre/new_york_state_senator_zellnor_myrie_was/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gtqpre/new_york_state... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu1qgy/cop_in_full_riot_gear_pepper_sprays_shirtless/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu1qgy/cop_in_full_ri... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu02su/a_child_after_being_maced_by_a_police_officer/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu02su/a_child_after_... https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/gu10qz/law_enforcement_fires_paint_projectile_at/ https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/gu10qz/law_enforcemen... Compilation video - https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/gtvcup/share_widely_this_is_a_police_state/ https://www.reddit.com/r/WayOfTheBern/comments/gtvcup/share_... https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu5yru/us_security_forces_hunt_down_journalists_covering/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu5yru/us_s... https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/gtvet8/rubber_bullet_hit/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/gtvet8/rubber_... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu2hdi/innocent_shopper_shot_with_rubber_bullet/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/gu2hdi/innocent_shopp... https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu629x/nurse_working_at_the_medical_tent_treating_people/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu629x/nurs... https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1267033010295042048 https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1267033010295042048 .... and on and on and on... There will be 1000s to 10,000s of events to catalogue.
• Animats 6y ago
  This has been tried. See http://copwatch.com/ http://copwatch.com/
• numlock86 6y ago
  Cool. And who does the website with videos about brutality against police? This doesn't do anything but making the problem worse.
  • pstuart 6y ago
    Oh, I'm sure you can find that stuff elsewhere. What this does is rub our noses in the fact that the system is broken. Enough is enough.
  • save_ferris 6y ago
    If you feel that police are subjected to systemic violence and death based on their color or class, feel free to build one and share that compelling content with the world.
  • nabla9 6y ago
    I would assume that police has motivation and resources to investigate brutality against police, and those who do it have less legal protection. In other words, it's taken care of. Things going the other way seems to be where the current system does not work.
  • nonconvergent 6y ago
    Tu quoque. Police already publish arrest records, mug shots, and they're covered by the media as well. Criminal charges are public records and covered by FOIA requests.
    • pstuart 6y ago
      > Tu quoque TIL. Thanks! edit: Hmmm, the gesture was sincere. I was aware of the principle but not the name. It's going to come in handy in these times.
    • steverb 6y ago
      Had to look it up. "Tū quoque (/tjuːˈkwoʊkwi, tuːˈkwoʊkweɪ/; Latin for "you also"), or the appeal to hypocrisy, is an informal fallacy that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s)." - Wikipedia
• irrational 6y ago
  The site seems to be down. Will it do historical abuse as well?
  • h3cate 6y ago
    I think traffic might of killed it. I will upgrade the server it's running on tonight. In answer to your question, all videos on there will stay there for the rest of time. We cannot let this happen now but we certainly can't let it be forgotten either.
    • HatchedLake721 6y ago
      Static site this please!
      • h3cate 6y ago
        Done and live, hopefully it will be a little more stable now.
    • dvtrn 6y ago
      DevOps SRE, how can I help?
      • h3cate 6y ago
        Please join this discord: https://discord.gg/9nA34c https://discord.gg/9nA34c
• _bxg1 6y ago
  Here are some more to add: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23371048 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23371048
  • h3cate 6y ago
    Thank you. I will go through and add tonight.
  • bitcharmer 6y ago
    Have some more https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/comment/fsg94zy https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/comm...
    • h3cate 6y ago
      Thank you, I will go through them later tonight.
• pstuart 6y ago
  Ha. I have a similar type of domain name in my shopping cart... I have another angle for this, which is we have to clearly identify a path where legitimate policing can occur, but aims to end police misconduct systematically.
  • h3cate 6y ago
    I'm interested to hear more of your ideas around this
    • pstuart 6y ago
      * Require police to be self-insured, backed by their pension plan * Refactor qualified immunity for police work (no more carte blanche) * Legalize all drugs (tax and regulate, treat abuse as a medical issue) * Legalize and (and regulate the hell out of it) sex work * National LEO database to prevent bad cops from moving one county over * National guidelines and certification of police behavior (a Geneva convention of sorts). No excuses of ignorance of the law That's a quick brain dump on it. Just doing the pension thing would be a game changer and is not an insurmountable goal.
      • h3cate 6y ago
        Personally I agree with all of those points however I know there is a lot of passion on both sides of the argument for most of those points. Hopefully one day soon we will start to see meaningful change
        • pstuart 6y ago
          Gotta start somewhere :-). The goal would be to properly frame it and promote it.
  • mkolodny 6y ago
    Both legitimate and excessively violent policing happens right now. And unfortunately, excessively violent policing isn't being punished appropriately. The officer charged with murdering George Floyd has been charged with police brutality 12 times, and let off with "no discipline" every time [0]. If officers who used excessive force aren't punished, they are taught that their actions were acceptable. I'd like to see calls for punishment in the case of Derek Chauvin, as well as for any use of excessive violence. I think convicting Derek Chauvin for murder would set a new standard for police conduct that could prevent similar acts of excessive violence from happening in the future. [0] https://www.reddit.com/r/LPOTL/comments/gsespz/derek_chauvin_might_be_the_most_prolific_serial/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share https://www.reddit.com/r/LPOTL/comments/gsespz/derek_chauvin...
• shawkinaw 6y ago
  You know what needs to stop? School shootings. I’m not defending police brutality, but this nation loses its shit for one grown man but shrugs when dozens of innocent children are slaughtered.
  • pstuart 6y ago
    That is an issue of concern but entirely irrelevant to this topic.
  • eloff 6y ago
    Nobody shrugs. Fixing it on the other hand in the USA - good luck.
  • nrb 6y ago
    This isn't about one person. In the words of Mos Def - "Why did one straw break the camel's back? Here's the secret: the million other straws underneath it."
  • nonconvergent 6y ago
    False. School shootings are also protested: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/opponents-protest-wake-nra-silence-sandy-hook-shooting/story?id=18001536 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/opponents-protest-wake-...
  • dvtrn 6y ago
    You know what needs to stop? Both of them. You know what’s in our capacity as human beings to address? Both of them. Talking about one does not remove the necissities to address the other, and addressing the other takes nothing away from individuals championing reforms of the former.
  • h3cate 6y ago
    I completely agree with you. I'm not saying this is the only thing that needs to stop but it's the only thing I can have a slight impact on. If any politician wants to advocate gun control I'd be supporting it 100%
  • benignslime 6y ago
• pojzon 6y ago
  How does the validation of the stories work ? I hope it will not end up as the next place to fuel unnecessary violence like in Toronto.
  • ghostpepper 6y ago
    Can you elaborate on what happened in Toronto?
    • SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
      The police were accused of pushing a girl Regis Korchinski-Paquet off a balcony to her death. It didn't end up being true, but this hasn't defused the protests.
  • h3cate 6y ago
    Currently, I'm having to watch the videos and verify them personally. Not the way I want to spend my evenings but sadly something I feel I have to do.
    • nappa-leon 6y ago
      Do you need help? Is there anyway we can help?
    • egonschiele 6y ago
      You are a hero.
      • egonschiele 6y ago
        FWIW I'm happy to donate to you, or if you find a way to pay someone to do the sorting I'm happy to chip in for that as well.
        • ykevinator 6y ago
          Me too
• pstuart 6y ago
  Tangentially related: anybody have links for good op-sec guides for creating a site that might make dangerous people pissed off?
  • h3cate 6y ago
    Depends on the dangerous people you're talking about I suppose
    • CameronNemo 6y ago
      Exactly. IIRC alphabet agencies operate many tor exit nodes.
      • pstuart 6y ago
        Among a plethora of other tricks. To be able to evade state-level actors would be the ultimate goal. That may likely be impossible but it would be nice to explore if it could be done. I have no intention of becoming an "enemy of the state", but I also never imagined I'd be living in this dystopian timeline.
      • h3cate 6y ago
        Easiest way to track somebody on tor is to follow them through their bounces.
    • xwdv 6y ago
      Leaders in black protests have been killed off by white power supremacists over the years. The creator of this site risks the same.
      • austincheney 6y ago
        There is no indication this website is a racial thing. It looks like the op is gathering any videos of police brutality.
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• mmm_grayons 6y ago
  Something very similar to the Floyd case that wasn't too widely reported; probably a good one to add (assuming it's not already there; I'm having trouble accessing the site): https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/you-re-gonna-kill-me-dallas-police-body-cam-footage-reveals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/ https://www.dallasnews.com/news/investigations/2019/07/31/yo... Edit: Why was this down-voted? And why was the post itself flagged?
  • h3cate 6y ago
    Thank you, I will take a look and add it
• chrisco255 6y ago
  Can you also add all the times cops are abused and murdered on the job, trying to protect innocent people? Thanks.
  • rsynnott 6y ago
    Seems less relevant in that the people doing that are not employed or trusted by the public.
  • caconym_ 6y ago
    If that's an issue you care about, why don't you put in the effort to surface those numbers yourself? Having a dangerous job doesn't justify murder, so I'm not sure why you think it's relevant here.
  • h3cate 6y ago
    I'd be happy to send you the code for the site if that's something you want to setup?
    • thundergolfer 6y ago
      Impressed with the civility of replies to the many people ITT being ‘status quo warriors’. Good work on the website.
      • h3cate 6y ago
        The aim of this project is to make people see eachother as the equals that we are. Thank you for the kind words
  • egonschiele 6y ago
    Actually, I would LOVE to see this information. My understanding is cops kill way more often than they are killed. But I'd love to stand corrected. My understanding is the thin blue line is a myth. The real terrors are the cops. But again I'd love to be wrong.
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• xmly 6y ago
  What does This refer to, The website or police brutality?
• deleted 6y ago
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• zabeltech 6y ago
  not saying there is no value in this initiative, just a reminder, that a camera always hides more than it shows - unknown unnowns etc...
  • h3cate 6y ago
    I know, I'm trying to be careful/selective about what I put on the site. Only clear oversteps should be shown in my opinion
    • cameronbrown 6y ago
      Would you be willing to also add an explanation of why you put each video up? This could quite easily be abused with selective editing.
      • h3cate 6y ago
        Yes I'd be happy to. I will work on that as soon as I get a chance but might not have the time tonight.
    • zabeltech 6y ago
      Yeah that's the Problem, what is a clear overstep? Maybe the 'victim' was totally out of His mind before, maybe he was calmed down before an raged again, maybe he was loaded up with drugs and imposed a danger to himself/Others/the Police. It's not that you could judge what is a 'clear overstep' by the immeriate context you see in the video
      • h3cate 6y ago
        I completely agree. I would like to set out some defined lines but I have no idea how to go about it. Maybe you can help? What I can say is that a video was submitted last night of a man who was crawling to a police officer, following his orders, before being shot multiple times and killed. His name was Daniel Shaver. Please look it up and watch the video if you do not believe it is possible to make a judgement as to whether somebody has crossed a line.
• exdsq 6y ago
  The websites not loading, I assume because it’s #1 on HN right now. If you want help with server costs maybe setup a fund me/patron?
  • abbadadda 6y ago
    Hug of death
    • h3cate 6y ago
      Nail on the head
  • h3cate 6y ago
    There are people I would much rather that money go to than me. I will upgrade the server now though
    • bradhe 6y ago
      If this is your site, I'm willing to help make it scale. My email address is in my profile.
    • abbadadda 6y ago
      Good addendum (which causes to donate to) after the site is back up and running!
    • zeendo 6y ago
      For sure. If there's any other kind of help you need, though, you should mention it. I'm sure there are a lot that would be happy to help. I think a lot of us are looking for an outlet for our (highly overlapping but not super widely available) skillset to contribute how we can.
      • h3cate 6y ago
        Just created a discord here: https://discord.gg/5w2nz8 https://discord.gg/5w2nz8. Happy to get peoples help and expertise on there
• ltbarcly3 6y ago
  We can all rest easy, someone made a website.
  • abbadadda 6y ago
    So grateful for everything you have done. Please list at length here what gives you the right to shit on efforts of others.
    • truthwhisperer 6y ago
      everything because it is dangerous idea; 1) brutality. Definition? 2) are the videos edited, how to prevent manipulation 3) the law should judge, not a pass-by filmer 4) what comes around goes around
    • ltbarcly3 6y ago
      What if I told you that changing the world is hard, and you can't realistically make a difference by looking at a monitor, safe in your gentrified neighborhood? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grm4sMZChz8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Grm4sMZChz8
  • cameronbrown 6y ago
    Websites are literally the most efficient way to spread information. I know it's fun to rag on web-based Uber for X startups here, but this is actually useful. A deeper criticism would be warranted though, because this looks something that could also ripe for abuse.
    • fsckboy 6y ago
      "rag on" is a misogynist term (you were downvoted before i wrote that. i did not downvote)
      • ltbarcly3 6y ago
        No it isn't, you are thinking of "on the rag", rag on is not related in any way. Look stuff up before you try to correct people.
• pluc 6y ago
  Y'all killed it
  • h3cate 6y ago
    Should be back up now!
• truthwhisperer 6y ago
  yes please add also a section of brutality applied to the police. what comes around goes around haha the police have already brutality attacked your website..
• mawise 6y ago
  Police brutality is a Bad Thing. There is also much lower hanging fruit in terms of saving lives and improving the world. About 1,000 people die in the US each year through encounters with the police. Over 400,000 people die in Africa each year from Malaria and we have very effective tools for combating it[1]. Police brutality is a big issue but the current media attention doesn't make "boring" causes less important or deadly. [1]: https://www.givewell.org/charities/top-charities https://www.givewell.org/charities/top-charities
  • bb123 6y ago
    1. Just because it isn’t the largest cause of death doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be reduced. 2. There is so much more to it than just the number of people who have died. Entire populations live in fear of contacts with the police.
  • millzlane 6y ago
    Malaria is just not a problem in America. World hunger is an issue too. Doesn't make fighting to stop police brutality any less important.
  • inamberclad 6y ago
    There's no reason we can't work on both.
  • egonschiele 6y ago
    Why not both? I donate to plenty of non-US causes. I was born in India and love to support Indian causes. But there's something nice about helping an issue happening in your community. It feels good to be able to see it firsthand.
  • bradhe 6y ago
    > About 1,000 people die in the US each year through encounters with the police. The number of people that die is only a subset of the total number of victims of police brutality. Besides that, the topic is broader than just the number of deaths. The police represent the state and thus represent the escalating willingness of the state to abuse it's citizens.
• theduder99 6y ago
  you go girl!
  • h3cate 6y ago
    ;)
• samh 6y ago
  Goodbye Western civilisation, you people are credulous and mad.
  • h3cate 6y ago
    I want to collect videos from around the world. This isn't okay anywhere. I am sorry it has taken me so long to act.
  • pnako 6y ago
    Oh, don't worry, the Silicon Valley nerds will be begging for cops the day the riots get a bit too close to them.
• theklub 6y ago
  It would be cool to have a top ten worst police jurisdictions for brutality
  • h3cate 6y ago
    I like to think that this isn't a whole jurisdiction problem and more an individual one.
    • scarface74 6y ago
      Statistics about racial profiling and systemic problems with hiding police misconduct shows something different.
• jmspring 6y ago
  The sad thing is, there are good jurisdictions (they may have their issues, but generally fair) around, yet local activists will use issue X in city Y as an excuse to blame their own local PD for some unrelated issue. This is happening in Santa Cruz right now where local homeless “advocates” (more about themselves) are attempting to co-opt a protest to blaming SCPD on perceived slights regarding homeless issues. This is a normal tactic for this group.
  • javajosh 6y ago
    It would be useful to put together a taxonomy of error modes that a social issue can have when it becomes famous. For example, accusing the victim of faking it ("crisis actors"), accusing protestors of overreacting ("thugs"), claiming that protestors have foreign elements making things worse ("auslander thugs"), and of course claiming that nothing happened to begin with, or the evidence for the claim was faked. No doubt this is a very long list, limited only by human rhetorical ingenuity.
    • SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
      Some claims are fake, though. Your strategy for distinguishing between true and false claims can't just be "oh I've identified that as an error mode".
      • javajosh 6y ago
        Oh I didn't say anything about truth value of the error mode! That's a different matter. I just think its remarkable how creative humans are when it comes to being sneaky.
      • jmspring 6y ago
        Here is a photo. Food Not Bombs is a broader organization, but Keith McHenry, a founder of FNB, will do everything to promote his agenda atop of what is popular - https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/101659755_10222370868330582_9004543148180897792_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=ca434c&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=QhBaGiPGmeQAX8IMg1T&_nc_ht=scontent-lax3-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=8fec22aadfacc4068839fa5f5e417421&oe=5EF8F30C https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65...
• alfiedotwtf 6y ago
  Remember a few years ago it came out that Apple filed a patent to disable cameras in a localised area. Speculation was so that law enforcement could disable cameras during protests and riots. In the next few days/weeks, watch if people start saying that they're in these hot zones and their camera phones stop working
  • deleted 6y ago
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  • Lariscus 6y ago
    Imagine being asked by your boss to implement such a thing and actually doing it. How spineless and unethical would you have to be to even consider following such an order.
    • h3cate 6y ago
      I imagine tools like this would most likely come out of military companies such as Lockheed and Raytheon. Surprised to hear it coming out of Apple
    • oh_sigh 6y ago
      You're assuming the speculation is the actual intent. What if it was something more benign, like allowing it to turn off cameras in a nuclear power plant or secure facilities or something like that.
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    • 3wolf 6y ago
      They'd probably take the Volkswagen strategy: Team A builds a feature that detects when the device is in a localized area. (This already exists) Team B builds a feature that disables the camera. (I could see this being a parental control) Both features are reasonable by themselves. It's when they are combined that they become an issue. The trick is that Teams A and B don't know of each other's existence.
• ykevinator 6y ago
  the defense of police comments remind me of the defense of priests people.
  • h3cate 6y ago
    Did anybody really protect the priests? I don't want to discuss that topic here as I am less able to rationally think when it comes to not only Christianity but religion as a whole.
• kul 6y ago
  The Guardian tried this with “The Counted”: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/series/counted-us-police-killings https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/series/counted-us-police...
  • brent_noorda 6y ago
    The Counted is not necessarily police brutality as much as listing everyone killed by police in the US, along with a brief description. The Counted totally fascinates me. I like to close my eyes and pick some square at random and read the story there, which is always a brief tragedy, but not necessarily what I would call police brutality. Many surprises there, including a surprising number of cases involving machetes.
• ciarannolan 6y ago
  Here's a pretty good list I've been seeing passed around Reddit with ~20 incidents of police brutalizing peaceful protestors in the last couple days: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/police_shoots_protestor_for_no_reason/fsg94zy/ https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/poli... The list is growing by the hour. Cops in America need to learn very quickly that their power comes only from the consent of the people they police, or they will be made to understand that fact.
  • sneak 6y ago
    I wish that were true, but the complete history of policing in America suggests that the police there exist primarily to protect the land and facilities of the ownership class, and have never had nor needed any consent of those outside of the gentry. The more recent history suggests that the people who wish to deter or educate the cops are significantly outgunned, and the brutality will continue until such time that those trying to change the status quo will give up, as they stand no chance of victory in the physical battle this has become. See also: Hong Kong I frequently wonder if these police would be so eager for a fight with sticks if some fraction of the protesters were carrying the same rifles as their opponents. In theory, that is legal there, and I hope more people take the peaceful, rights-based approach that the Black Panthers did.
    • komali2 6y ago
      Just because it's painful doesn't mean it's hopeless. Protests now, and when you get home, call, email, and write letters to every person that conceivably has authority over how the police act. Don't relent. They did arrest the murderer, after all.
    • GiorgioG 6y ago
      > The more recent history suggests that the people who wish to deter or educate the cops are significantly outgunned Then these young people (in the U.S.) should stop fighting for gun control when it only works against them in times such as these. Can you imagine how these protesters would be treated if most of them were carrying a rifle? Could the police roll out tanks in response? Sure, but I do not believe the U.S. politicians would be willing to start all out war between police and civilians. I don't condone the looting and destruction of property. Having said that the curfews in place are a form of suppression/muzzling the peaceful protesters. The police have for too long had unchecked power in the U.S. I've always been taught to be respectful and have been treated in kind in my interactions with police (but I am white.) If a cop is having a bad day or he's just a bully, that should not keep bystanders from helping a victim of police brutality with the threat of "assaulting a police officer."
• supernintendo 6y ago
  Thank you for this! Your site might be a good place to signal-boost potential solutions to the problem of police brutality as well. I stumbled across a Twitter thread earlier which has some interesting ideas: https://mobile.twitter.com/samswey/status/1180655701271732224 https://mobile.twitter.com/samswey/status/118065570127173222...
  • h3cate 6y ago
    Thank you for that. I will read through this at some point tonight.
• PhaedrusV 6y ago
  Instead of signal-boosting rotten cops, can we signal-boost the ones who arrest bad cops?
  • h3cate 6y ago
    A new page will be added to the site highlighting the good that police officers do on a daily basis.
• downerending 6y ago
  As always, you have to ask, compared to what? Are the majority of police actions brutality, or only a miniscule fraction? This is the crucial question, and a site like this provides no insight at all. (or so I imagine, since site is down) If you want to fan the flames, though, add a section for protesters savagely kicking unconscious victims in the head.
  • rolae 6y ago
    To document single incidents of brutality has value. The documentation of one single act of police brutality has value. As the police has a monopoly on the legal use of violence they have to be held accountable. This is like saying building a registry/counting murders has no value and brings no insight. And this has nothing todo with condoning violence of protesters, which is just as wrong as police brutality. The issue is, that police never seems to be held accountable for excessive use of force.
    • downerending 6y ago
      It confirms existence, but we already knew that. The officer in question has been fired, arrested, and charged. That would seem to contradict the "never held accountable".
      • h3cate 6y ago
        Sadly this was one case. There are many others across the globe that happen and nobody is ever held accountable
        • downerending 6y ago
          It's pedantic, but we do that here: it's certainly not the case that nobody is ever held accountable, at least when speaking of criminal behavior by the police. If you want people to listen, speak carefully. Some police acts enrage me, for sure. Really. At the same time, the rioter behavior we've seen in the last three days might be worse than the sum total of all of that. And I know that the police have to deal with this shit day in and day out. It's an impossible job, and yet we cannot survive without them. Maybe someday we can have AI robot policemen instead, programmed to very careful protocols. I'm cautiously optimistic.
• djaque 6y ago
  I have found an excellent resource [1] for data-driven policy that has been shown to reduce racism and abuse in police departments. I have written all of my local leaders who are up for election where they stand on each one of their ten points. All of the requests on their website seem reasonable and it was really illuminating doing research on my local police force and seeing how few of them they've enacted. [1] https://www.joincampaignzero.org/ https://www.joincampaignzero.org/
• libraryofn 6y ago
  If you're actually trying to fix a problem, there are better ways to go about it. Why not try to build evidence to determine the reality of the situation? There is nothing honest or good about building a one-sided repository that serves only to confirm political dogma. What if a fair judgement of the evidence shows that black police officers treat black people no better than white police officers? What if white police officers treat black people better than black police officers on average? Of course, I'm sure someone biased enough can invent an explanation for any contrary evidence. But the of the situation might be very different from the current propaganda. Regardless of the policing data, the root cause is unarguably a fundamentally economic problem. Poverty is synonymous with violence. Policing is synonymous with violence. By turning a class problem (rich people stealing/rigging the system) into a racial issue (white people are bad and should feel bad) you're doing the bidding of the rich people that want to prevent revolutionary economic reform. Edit: Flagged in 60 seconds. There is no way this comment violates the HN guidelines. If you disagree, just downvote, don't abuse the flagging system.
  • h3cate 6y ago
    Thanks for your feedback. With the help from some people here the site has been updated with more info about each case including what has/hasn't been done in each situation. Going forward, no video will be uploaded without first gathering this information and verifying the context of the video. Please say if you feel there is still information that needs to be added that can help.
    • yetanotherjosh 6y ago
      Aren't you trying to act as a courtroom, though? The main issue I have with your site is that your fundamental premise involves a presumption of guilt. You declare this behavior "brutality" (which implies a forgone conclusion of injustice and the misuse of force) before a fair system of investigation, testimony, factual analysis, and so on, can be performed. I'm not saying these videos aren't showing an injustice and a misuse of force, I'm saying that making a fair conclusion is complicated and should be done by a complex process that you can't hope to do yourself. And if you simply aggregate videos of police using force and label them all as brutality, frankly you are abandoning the ideal of justice in the pursuit of it. Your site should present these videos as acts that warrant investigation, not as a wall of shame for (assumed) guilty/bad cops (even though many of them are guilty/bad). There is deep, systemic injustice in our society, and there are murders and brutalities taking place all too often, and this does demand action and attention. I applaud action to that effect and I honor that you are motivated by the pursuit of justice. But you need to recognize that it is a challenging task that requires a measure of elevated ethical discipline in order not to backfire or undermine itself. The principle of "innocent until proven guilty" is a core precept of a good justice system, but not one that your approach seems to embrace.
• corrupt_measure 6y ago
  Genuine unprovoked and unnecessary police brutality incidents are incredibly rare (relative to all police interactions) and hardly an epidemic. When someone is breaking the law and resisting arrest the police have no choice but to be violent with the resistor. Unfortunately these incidents often get categorized as "police brutality" when they're really just a necessary use of force. More broadly, the entire narrative of police brutality and killings of minorities is basically nonsense. When controlling for violent encounters with police and crimes committed, blacks (armed and unarmed) are actually less likely to be killed by police than whites. Sites like this and an irresponsible media simply exaggerate the issue and needlessly inflame tensions without providing proper and necessary context.
  • chillwaves 6y ago
    "Don't believe your lying eyes." https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/video-shows-officer-kicking-woman-who-was-sitting-on-ground-and-covering-her-face/ https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/video-shows-officer-kicking-wo...
    • corrupt_measure 6y ago
      That video is a 5 second long anecdote. Regardless, the woman was probably told to move and was refusing. When you disobey riot police in a riot situation that's what happens and I absolutely side with the police. Data literally supports what I'm saying. A distorting narrative is what's driving all the recent calls to action and solidarity. People are being lied to and misled, either that or they are just using the narrative to push their own agendas.
      • whatever1 6y ago
        The outrage started not because of the video that was undisputable evidence of police violence, it started because the police did not immediately arrest the officers who committed and helped with the murder of a person. Had Minneapolis have to burn to the ground, so that they finally arrest the murderer policeman?
• randtrain34 6y ago
  May I suggest that the site be on a CDN like Cloudflare for better availability? @h3cate
  • h3cate 6y ago
    I'll look into it and get it done, thanks.
• chrisco255 6y ago
  I know this is hard for some people to accept, but the police deal with the worst dregs of society every day so you don't have to. They get pissed on, stabbed, punched in the face, shot, and killed working for less than 1/4 of the pay of many software developers do. We bitch about JavaScript vs Golang while they have to wonder if the next person they pull over for a speeding ticket is going to pull a gun on them. They have no binary way of knowing who means them harm and who doesn't. It's an extremely delicate judgment call made in split seconds that often means the difference between life and death. In the meantime, how many murdered people's family members have you had to console in the past few weeks? How many rape victims have you had to listen from? How many dead bodies have you scraped off the pavement? How many suicides have you investigated? Nobody is in favor of excess force being applied to people, but I cannot support the over-the-top rhetoric about the by and large good people that work in the police force either.
  • FDSGSG 6y ago
    > It's an extremely delicate judgment call made in split seconds that often means the difference between life and death How come cops in many other countries are so much better at making these judgement calls than in the US?
    • austincheney 6y ago
      Are they? I prefer to ignore value comparisons not based on numbers.
      • augustt 6y ago
        German cops fired 85 bullets _total_ in 2011. Florida cops shot almost 200 bullets into a UPS truck, killing a hostage and bystander in 2019.
        • tal8d 6y ago
          There were 2174 incidents of murder/manslaughter in Germany that year... given that context, "85 bullets _total_" sounds like a massive orgy of violence on the part of German LEOs. There were 6 times that many murders in the US that same year, manslaughter not included.
• rolae 6y ago
  To document with videos is valuable, but I think the site should provide as much context as possible, what I would wish for, show: * Date of incident * Short description of context * Primary source, or at least, where the video was found * Media coverage of incident * Updates on convictions/official investigations into the incident * Official statements / responses * linked videos (videos of the same incident, but with other view-angle) Otherwise it will just be a collection of outrage, if you don't give real data to put things into context. edit: formatting
  • h3cate 6y ago
    Brilliant, thank you for this. I will work on getting all of these added to the site ASAP.
• quietthrow 6y ago
  This post was number one on HN. Now it’s nowhere to be found on HN’s pages unless you search for it. I happen to remember the posters handle and was able to dig up the post. The post is not even flagged back so am curious why did it disappear?
  • detaro 6y ago
    there's a scale to a submission being flagged (depending on the number of flags relative to other activity on the post), and they affect ranking before the "[flagged]" mark appears - I assume that's what happened. You can email the mods and ask if they'll remove the ranking penalty through the contact link in the footer.
  • pbourke 6y ago
    It's been flagged to oblivion so as not to pierce HN's tender bubble. Should have mentioned which JS framework was used to build the site so the post would stay on the front page.
    • scarface74 6y ago
      Exactly. HN caring more about wanting government to force Apple to allow side loading than police misconduct shows why you basically need rioting to make people pay attention. A football player kneeling peacefully as a stand against police misconduct and being called a son of a bitch by the President doesn’t get a peep from HN. People start rioting gets attention.
    • h3cate 6y ago
      Haha sadly, there's no JS. I would load vue though if that meant they wouldn't bury the thread..
    • rsynnott 6y ago
      Even better, it should have been implemented in rust. HN’s rust fixation (I get it, I like rust, but...) and aversion to anything involving society would have been held in perfect balance.
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• drdeadringer 6y ago
  I've shared this before and do so here: I recently found out about an app from the ACLU specifically for recording//reporting (abusive) police activities. The app itself, at least the California version, has a section regarding one's rights and safety whilst filming police. https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-po.. https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-po.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACLU_Mobile_Justice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACLU_Mobile_Justice
• codethief 6y ago
  I wish the site contained more than just the video recordings and presented further information like time & date / location / background story / names / official police report / related news reports etc. Right now I could simply dress up as police officer and stage such a video. I'm not at all saying this is happening, I'm just saying it'd be possible to do that. With fake news as well claims of things being fake news being very common these days, we should all be a bit more careful and thorough.
  • emerged 6y ago
    The site relies on that lack of contrasting data and authentication (at least, objectively it can be argued).
    • h3cate 6y ago
      Hi, I certainly don't want this to be the case and as such the site has been updated with a lot more information about each video. Still this may not be enough so if you think there is anything else that can be added please say and I will ensure that the website is updated.
  • h3cate 6y ago
    Hi, thanks for the feedback. Some people that saw this post offered their help last night and as a result the site has been updated to contain much more information (there couldn't be any less let's face it) about each video. If you still think there's more information that could be added please say and I will make sure it is listed with each video
• berbec 6y ago
  "Police are by in large good people. The vast majority of them know not to kill black people." "United Airlines pilots are by in large good people. The vast majority of them know not to crash the plane."
  • h3cate 6y ago
    The vast majority also do not drag people off their planes for not being white...
• peanut_is_yum 6y ago
  The brutality in those videos goes beyond what I thought possible. Driving through crowds, beating little girls, trampling on a protester with your horse... speechless. I thank the internet for making me aware of this.
  • h3cate 6y ago
    It's really harrowing to see these things happening. I know that they go on around the world but it's always been easier to ignore but I feel like as citizens of a now connected world we can't let this brutality continue.
• fulldecent2 6y ago
  This site is terrible. It is a zero-effort collection of videos around one theme. And by turning these videos into copy-pasta without promoting the original sources of the video they are obscuring the and making it more difficult to fix police brutality. A much better website would have contact information on it. And it would cite the original people that took the videos. And they could have asked those original people basic facts, such as the exact location and time of the recording.
  • fulldecent2 6y ago
    Found it. Here is what quality reporting looks like https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/31/21276044/police-violence-protest-george-floyd https://www.theverge.com/2020/5/31/21276044/police-violence-... Yes, people. Sometimes reporting takes effort, and professionals can do a better job than inexperienced people.
  • h3cate 6y ago
    Thanks for the feedback. Thanks to people that saw this post the site has been updated to list a lot more information however I concede that it is still not perfect and there is still more information to collect. Please let me know if you feel there is more information that could be added to help improve the site.
• emerged 6y ago
  This would be objectively valuable if it was paired with a collection of brutality against police (curated by equally well motivated people). There are a massive number of both citizens and police in this country. Large numbers yield a significant artifact of outliers. Holding police to a higher standard makes sense. But with very large numbers, a high standard still requires expectation of a significant amount of outliers.
  • h3cate 6y ago
    I would be more than happy to send you the code for the site if you wish to set this up. Personally I feel like police generally do a good job of handling cases of brutality against them.
• aiscapehumanity 6y ago
  Cocksec rascists must have flagged this
  • h3cate 6y ago
    People just have different views on different matters which is okay. Flagging a post you do not agree with is fine. Shooting a man pinned to the floor is not fine.
• exdsq 6y ago
  Why was this post flagged? @Dang? Edit: earlier this post linked to a data visualisation project, not a collection of videos.