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Not everyone here is on social media and not everyone here has a connection to someone who is Directly connected and is making a request for action. I agree wit

Not everyone here is on social media and not everyone here has a connection to someone who is Directly connected and is making a request for action. I agree with your assessment, things can turn toxic but if there’s some action on positivity where there was non before then it’s good. Thoughts?

sloaken 6y ago
I feel if you want that type of discussion you should go to a 'social media' site to get it. Not expect this forum to turn into a social media site.
- effingwewt 6y ago
  Oh sweet, Summer Child. HN is most certainly social media, the first message boards were as well. If HN was the bastion for civil discourse we all pretend it is, there would be no issue having these discussions. Rules here are bent constantly, not to blame dang, it needs to be done, but when rules are bent for Trump threads and they get ugly, we deal with it, but we are told George Floyd being murdered is 'too hot to handle'. Yes, users flag but as Dan has said repeatedly they can adjust flagging weight and/or stop them from removing posts from top/active.
SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
I think it's inherently toxic to have a norm that, if something important is going on, everyone in every space needs to start talking about it. It means that people who have legitimate reasons to not want to talk about it - maybe they have intense personal trauma on the topics of police brutality or rioting - have to completely disconnect themselves from the public discourse. This is especially true right now, when many people's normal avenues of disengagement are banned due to shelter in place.
- effingwewt 6y ago
  So don't read the post/comments? If you or someone has their own issues with something that's fine, disengage. You don't get to squash discourse on something because it makes someone uncomfortable, or we will never speak of anything ever.
  - SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
    I’m not saying it should be squashed. The OP here said it’s not fine to disengage, that it’s “disappointing” and we have a duty to participate. That’s the attitude I think is toxic.

sloaken 6y ago

I feel if you want that type of discussion you should go to a 'social media' site to get it. Not expect this forum to turn into a social media site.

effingwewt 6y ago
Oh sweet, Summer Child. HN is most certainly social media, the first message boards were as well. If HN was the bastion for civil discourse we all pretend it is, there would be no issue having these discussions. Rules here are bent constantly, not to blame dang, it needs to be done, but when rules are bent for Trump threads and they get ugly, we deal with it, but we are told George Floyd being murdered is 'too hot to handle'. Yes, users flag but as Dan has said repeatedly they can adjust flagging weight and/or stop them from removing posts from top/active.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

I think it's inherently toxic to have a norm that, if something important is going on, everyone in every space needs to start talking about it. It means that people who have legitimate reasons to not want to talk about it - maybe they have intense personal trauma on the topics of police brutality or rioting - have to completely disconnect themselves from the public discourse. This is especially true right now, when many people's normal avenues of disengagement are banned due to shelter in place.

effingwewt 6y ago
So don't read the post/comments? If you or someone has their own issues with something that's fine, disengage. You don't get to squash discourse on something because it makes someone uncomfortable, or we will never speak of anything ever.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  I’m not saying it should be squashed. The OP here said it’s not fine to disengage, that it’s “disappointing” and we have a duty to participate. That’s the attitude I think is toxic.