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Personally I feel that the probability of a major conflict between China and the US has increased substantially since the beginning of the 2020. We live in int

Personally I feel that the probability of a major conflict between China and the US has increased substantially since the beginning of the 2020. We live in interesting time. Cheers.

dragonsh 6y ago
Such conflict will be disaster for the whole humanity, so the probability of such conflict is not that great except some small skirmish here and there. I will not count on difficulty of technology to stop a country progress for long. China mastered bullet trains and surpassed the original designs from German, French and Japanese designs, so given time and resolve they will be able to solve given, at present USA closing doors and China opening doors for educated immigrants. I hope the world instead of focusing on differences, focus on collaboration, USA and its system has its own pros and cons so is China’s system. Also in general I believe no meaning in forcing Chinese to accept what’s right for them based on US ideas, let them have their own freedom to choose and work or change their system. As US has black minorities and Puerto Rico (overseas territory), so does China (Hong Kong and Taiwan). Let them figure out in their own way how to work out between their majority and minority. This is what US or any sovereign country irrespective of system will expect. If China tries to teach USA how to treat and respect its minorities and overseas territory they won’t agree, same is China.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  I tend to agree. If the world’s fine with China engaging in a little soft genocide, I don’t think there’s much China would do on the international stage to actually provoke a war. The CCP does seem to be legitimately uninterested in the kind of violent foreign policy that would drag it unintentionally into conflicts.
- gdy 6y ago
  Yep, China has already figured out how to work with its Muslim minority.
  - dragonsh 6y ago
    Muslim minority is treated worse by USA with the treatment of Palestine and its own Muslim population, same goes for India. So it will be better if we want to protect minority apply same standards for everyone. As I said like China is imperfect in treating its minorities with differing opinions (Tibet, Uighur, Hong Kong and Taiwan), so is many large democracies be it USA or India (where majoritarian politics works the same way as China, trampling on the rights of minorities finding loopholes in systems and bypass all safeguards with majority support). We all have a right to disagree with Chinese system, but don’t have a right to force it on majority of Chinese who believe in their own system.
    - christophilus 6y ago
      Lol. Nope. I know plenty of Muslims in the US. Being arrested and placed in a concentration camp hasn’t occurred to them as something to worry about. We’ve made plenty of mistakes and have a ton of discrimination still, but China is on a different scale of atrocity.
      - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
        At the risk of descending into a mud-slinging fight, I'll just point out that the United States has been fighting non-stop wars in Muslim countries for nearly two decades, killing hundreds of thousands of people. The US government cannot credibly claim to occupy the high ground here.
        mycall 6y ago
        Comparing Uighur with Wahabi is hard to swallow.
        chrischen 6y ago
        Not to mention the indirect support of the displacement of Palestinians, which is the reason why all the conflicts and US involvement started.
    - 6y ago
- vinay427 6y ago
  Both have overseas territories, except that means virtually nothing in and of itself. Do a majority of Hong Kongers (let alone Taiwanese) support the status quo or closer integration with mainland China? Did they choose to join in the first place through an election?
  - dragonsh 6y ago
    Did Indian govt respect vote in Kashmir (Hong Kong and Taiwan enjoy a lot of freedom I can’t say the same for Kashmiris who are still prisoners at military gunpoint in their own place)? Did US tried votes for black minorities if they want to form a separate country or in Guam and Guantanamo Bay or even accepted the verdict of the people of Puerto Rico and these 2 are the largest democracies. If in a majoritarian politics outcome for minority is same as China than really both systems are having an issue with protecting minorities. Even in HN by downvoting comments minority view is turned unreadable, this is same in USA, India or China where systems work based on majoritarian politics.
  - chrischen 6y ago
    The majority of Taiwanese were about to vote for KMT (pro-China party) just before HK protests erupted. After that there was a massive shift in favor of the pro-US administration. But immediately prior to protests KMT was favored to win.
dang 6y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23359746 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23359746.

Personally I feel that the probability of a major conflict between China and the US has increased substantially since the beginning of the 2020. We live in interesting time. Cheers.

dragonsh 6y ago

Such conflict will be disaster for the whole humanity, so the probability of such conflict is not that great except some small skirmish here and there. I will not count on difficulty of technology to stop a country progress for long. China mastered bullet trains and surpassed the original designs from German, French and Japanese designs, so given time and resolve they will be able to solve given, at present USA closing doors and China opening doors for educated immigrants. I hope the world instead of focusing on differences, focus on collaboration, USA and its system has its own pros and cons so is China’s system. Also in general I believe no meaning in forcing Chinese to accept what’s right for them based on US ideas, let them have their own freedom to choose and work or change their system. As US has black minorities and Puerto Rico (overseas territory), so does China (Hong Kong and Taiwan). Let them figure out in their own way how to work out between their majority and minority. This is what US or any sovereign country irrespective of system will expect. If China tries to teach USA how to treat and respect its minorities and overseas territory they won’t agree, same is China.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
I tend to agree. If the world’s fine with China engaging in a little soft genocide, I don’t think there’s much China would do on the international stage to actually provoke a war. The CCP does seem to be legitimately uninterested in the kind of violent foreign policy that would drag it unintentionally into conflicts.
gdy 6y ago
Yep, China has already figured out how to work with its Muslim minority.
- dragonsh 6y ago
  Muslim minority is treated worse by USA with the treatment of Palestine and its own Muslim population, same goes for India. So it will be better if we want to protect minority apply same standards for everyone. As I said like China is imperfect in treating its minorities with differing opinions (Tibet, Uighur, Hong Kong and Taiwan), so is many large democracies be it USA or India (where majoritarian politics works the same way as China, trampling on the rights of minorities finding loopholes in systems and bypass all safeguards with majority support). We all have a right to disagree with Chinese system, but don’t have a right to force it on majority of Chinese who believe in their own system.
  - christophilus 6y ago
    Lol. Nope. I know plenty of Muslims in the US. Being arrested and placed in a concentration camp hasn’t occurred to them as something to worry about. We’ve made plenty of mistakes and have a ton of discrimination still, but China is on a different scale of atrocity.
    - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
      At the risk of descending into a mud-slinging fight, I'll just point out that the United States has been fighting non-stop wars in Muslim countries for nearly two decades, killing hundreds of thousands of people. The US government cannot credibly claim to occupy the high ground here.
      - mycall 6y ago
        Comparing Uighur with Wahabi is hard to swallow.
      - chrischen 6y ago
        Not to mention the indirect support of the displacement of Palestinians, which is the reason why all the conflicts and US involvement started.
  - 6y ago
vinay427 6y ago
Both have overseas territories, except that means virtually nothing in and of itself. Do a majority of Hong Kongers (let alone Taiwanese) support the status quo or closer integration with mainland China? Did they choose to join in the first place through an election?
- dragonsh 6y ago
  Did Indian govt respect vote in Kashmir (Hong Kong and Taiwan enjoy a lot of freedom I can’t say the same for Kashmiris who are still prisoners at military gunpoint in their own place)? Did US tried votes for black minorities if they want to form a separate country or in Guam and Guantanamo Bay or even accepted the verdict of the people of Puerto Rico and these 2 are the largest democracies. If in a majoritarian politics outcome for minority is same as China than really both systems are having an issue with protecting minorities. Even in HN by downvoting comments minority view is turned unreadable, this is same in USA, India or China where systems work based on majoritarian politics.
- chrischen 6y ago
  The majority of Taiwanese were about to vote for KMT (pro-China party) just before HK protests erupted. After that there was a massive shift in favor of the pro-US administration. But immediately prior to protests KMT was favored to win.

dang 6y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23359746 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23359746.