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Well people said the same thing about Trayvon Martin but nothing changed after the protests.

by mdoms 6y ago

ngcazz 6y ago
I don’t remember Trayvon Martin triggering any public action this aggressive or widespread
- MattGaiser 6y ago
  https://www.google.com/search?q=trayvon+martin+protests&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA852CA852&oq=trayvon+martin+protests&aqs=chrome..69i57.5533j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=trayvon+martin+protests&rlz=... It was pretty intense at the time.
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - ngcazz 6y ago
    Sure; but that wasn't a campaign year, nor was there a pandemic raging in parallel where at least 100000 people will have died, the majority of them from minorities. And as a sidenote: Trump is literally activating terrorist cells in your country -- his tweet was explicitly quoted by this self-ascribed paramilitary goon when coming out with his machinegun to terrorize folks: https://twitter.com/LCRWnews/status/1266509747169005569 https://twitter.com/LCRWnews/status/1266509747169005569 Was this happening in 2013? Pretty sure it wasn't.
- mdoms 6y ago
  I'm not sure what you want me to tell you, a simple Google search shows how intense it was. Sorry about your memory, I guess?
  - ngcazz 6y ago
    Don’t need to get all snarky on me
  - thomasfedb 6y ago
    Your comment serves no purpose but to be unfriendly.
- orthoxerox 6y ago
  Trayvon Martin and the wannabe cop actually fought each other. Daniel Shaver had a pellet rifle and reached for his belt. Some other poor fellow had an object in his hand. You can come up with some excuse that makes it a "both sides" case. George Floyd was arrested and handcuffed by four real cops, calmly complied with every request recorded on video, and still died pleading for his life because one cop strangled him for no reason and the other three did nothing. It's a perfect storm: you can say "no matter how compliant you are, the police will still kill you if you're not white enough" and pro-blue opinion leaders can't counter you with anything except "but look at the looters".
whymauri 6y ago
Every major city in the US is having huge protests, and several metropolitan areas are dealing with riots. Trayvon Martin was nothing like this. You have forty million people unemployed, many of which overlap directly with the demographics most impacted by wealth inequality and police brutality. It's pretty clear that this is going to be more intense than in 2012.
djaque 6y ago
Two things make this different: 1) There's record unemployment in the US and there's an active pandemic. People are unhappy and the country is a powder keg ready to go off. 2) The footage this time is especially graphic. You can see the officer strangling George Floyd with his knee. You can see the unnervingly satisfied look on his face. You can hear George call out multiple times that he can't breathe. Then, after he stops moving you can watch the officer continue to strangle him for four minutes. You can also see three police officers that stood by and let it happen in the background. There's not much wiggle room here.
- _Understated_ 6y ago
  2) It's worse: One of the videos I saw had three of them kneeling on him while he was begging.
- sfj 6y ago
  Actually according to the autopsy, his knee on Floyd's neck did not cause his death. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11742264/george-floyd-autopsy-cops-restraint-death-minneapolis/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11742264/george-floyd-autopsy-... > The ME also claimed that the initial autopsy found no evidence that Floyd died of strangulation and traumatic asphyxia after Officer Derek Chauvin kneeled on his neck for more than eight minutes. Edit: I don't understand the downvotes. Provide evidence contrary to the narrative and get downvoted into oblivion? Isn't it valuable to know all the facts?
  - t-writescode 6y ago
    I have trouble believing any source that accepts the claim that > Floyd was then told to step out of the car and handcuffed, and "actively resisted being handcuffed", according to body cam footage obtained the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension. When we have video evidence that suggests quite the contrary from a shop nearby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Tqs06YN_A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Tqs06YN_A edit: yes, I know that maybe he resisted in invisible ways. And yes, I saw him fall over when he was getting in the cop car way up at the top of the screen at the end of the video (partly hidden by the 'watch next!' videos); but is that really sufficient 'active resistance' if you can call it that?

Well people said the same thing about Trayvon Martin but nothing changed after the protests.

by mdoms 6y ago

Well people said the same thing about Trayvon Martin but nothing changed after the protests.

ngcazz 6y ago

I don’t remember Trayvon Martin triggering any public action this aggressive or widespread

MattGaiser 6y ago
https://www.google.com/search?q=trayvon+martin+protests&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA852CA852&oq=trayvon+martin+protests&aqs=chrome..69i57.5533j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=trayvon+martin+protests&rlz=... It was pretty intense at the time.
- deleted 6y ago
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- ngcazz 6y ago
  Sure; but that wasn't a campaign year, nor was there a pandemic raging in parallel where at least 100000 people will have died, the majority of them from minorities. And as a sidenote: Trump is literally activating terrorist cells in your country -- his tweet was explicitly quoted by this self-ascribed paramilitary goon when coming out with his machinegun to terrorize folks: https://twitter.com/LCRWnews/status/1266509747169005569 https://twitter.com/LCRWnews/status/1266509747169005569 Was this happening in 2013? Pretty sure it wasn't.
mdoms 6y ago
I'm not sure what you want me to tell you, a simple Google search shows how intense it was. Sorry about your memory, I guess?
- ngcazz 6y ago
  Don’t need to get all snarky on me
- thomasfedb 6y ago
  Your comment serves no purpose but to be unfriendly.
orthoxerox 6y ago
Trayvon Martin and the wannabe cop actually fought each other. Daniel Shaver had a pellet rifle and reached for his belt. Some other poor fellow had an object in his hand. You can come up with some excuse that makes it a "both sides" case. George Floyd was arrested and handcuffed by four real cops, calmly complied with every request recorded on video, and still died pleading for his life because one cop strangled him for no reason and the other three did nothing. It's a perfect storm: you can say "no matter how compliant you are, the police will still kill you if you're not white enough" and pro-blue opinion leaders can't counter you with anything except "but look at the looters".

whymauri 6y ago

Every major city in the US is having huge protests, and several metropolitan areas are dealing with riots. Trayvon Martin was nothing like this. You have forty million people unemployed, many of which overlap directly with the demographics most impacted by wealth inequality and police brutality. It's pretty clear that this is going to be more intense than in 2012.

djaque 6y ago

Two things make this different: 1) There's record unemployment in the US and there's an active pandemic. People are unhappy and the country is a powder keg ready to go off. 2) The footage this time is especially graphic. You can see the officer strangling George Floyd with his knee. You can see the unnervingly satisfied look on his face. You can hear George call out multiple times that he can't breathe. Then, after he stops moving you can watch the officer continue to strangle him for four minutes. You can also see three police officers that stood by and let it happen in the background. There's not much wiggle room here.

_Understated_ 6y ago
2) It's worse: One of the videos I saw had three of them kneeling on him while he was begging.
sfj 6y ago
Actually according to the autopsy, his knee on Floyd's neck did not cause his death. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11742264/george-floyd-autopsy-cops-restraint-death-minneapolis/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11742264/george-floyd-autopsy-... > The ME also claimed that the initial autopsy found no evidence that Floyd died of strangulation and traumatic asphyxia after Officer Derek Chauvin kneeled on his neck for more than eight minutes. Edit: I don't understand the downvotes. Provide evidence contrary to the narrative and get downvoted into oblivion? Isn't it valuable to know all the facts?
- t-writescode 6y ago
  I have trouble believing any source that accepts the claim that > Floyd was then told to step out of the car and handcuffed, and "actively resisted being handcuffed", according to body cam footage obtained the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension. When we have video evidence that suggests quite the contrary from a shop nearby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Tqs06YN_A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Tqs06YN_A edit: yes, I know that maybe he resisted in invisible ways. And yes, I saw him fall over when he was getting in the cop car way up at the top of the screen at the end of the video (partly hidden by the 'watch next!' videos); but is that really sufficient 'active resistance' if you can call it that?