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Is it that much different than how everyone jokes about HSV1 today? It is still a (ridiculous and stupid) running punchline on SNL. Obviously it is a far less d

by Fezzik 6y ago

Is it that much different than how everyone jokes about HSV1 today? It is still a (ridiculous and stupid) running punchline on SNL. Obviously it is a far less dire virus (as far as we know, today) but, we as a species (generally) compared to our individual potential, are absolute idiots and almost always take the easy intellectual route (humor and bullshit) when faced with uncommon information. The video really seems like par for the course and not surprising in the slightest...

umanwizard 6y ago
“far less dire” is an understatement. HSV-1 causes only cosmetic effects in the vast majority of cases.
- Fezzik 6y ago
  That is... not exactly true: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/06/21/621908340/researchers-find-herpes-viruses-in-brains-marked-by-alzheimers-disease https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/06/21/6219083... I was not trying to diminish the atrocity that is how the AIDS epidemic was handled, I was only trying to illuminate that people (and the super-majority of our lawmakers) are immature and uninformed when talking about all infectious diseases. Edit: just look at our President’s response to Covid... it is bumbling and moronic.
  - MiroF 6y ago
    So what, this tentative research that shows no causal link whatsoever between HSV-1 and alzheimers is the same as the 32 million killed by AIDS globally? No. It isn't. Stop trivializing HIV. I don't know what you're getting out of it, but it comes across as incredibly tone deaf.
    - Fezzik 6y ago
      I truly was not trying to offend or trivialize anything: my only point, as best as I can distill it, is that people react irrationally and inappropriately to infectious diseases. And we need to work on that. This is not at all unique to HIV/AIDS, even though people suffering from AIDS have born the brunt of the actual suffering. If we can’t have open, rational discussions about HSV, how can we do the same with HIV? Edit: grammar
      - MiroF 6y ago
        I understand the point you were trying to get across. Many STIs have substantial stigma around them and it makes it harder to fight them. I just want to caution you that making these forms of equivalences is a common tactic to derail and discount the impact of HIV or the experience of populations disproportionately harmed, in the same way that people derail discussions about the disproportionate killing of black people by police with statements like "why focus on black people? nobody should be killed by police." I believe that you were not intending to do so, but I also hope that you understand and can be cognizant of that dynamic.
        Fezzik 6y ago
        MiroF - I (could not initially) reply to your comment directly, but that was a perfect analogy to make your point. I can definitely see how my first comment could be taken that way, and that was not at all my intention. As with many things, I gotta work on my contextual phrasing and presentation!
        jojobas 6y ago
        I never understood the stigma part. Random sex exposes you to STI. IV drug use also exposes you to HIV and Hep B. It's fine to blame lung cancer on smoking (even though you can get lung cancer without it). It's however considered not fine to judge people for other risky choices. Go figure.
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- guruz 6y ago
  Herpes virusses can stay in the body in all kind of parts and can cause all kind of things. For example they make gum disease a lot worse (which then in turn is linked to Alzheimer's for example) https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1034/j.1600-051x.2001.028009879.x https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1034/j.1600-051x.... Note that there is a ton of other HSV-*, for example HSV-6 https://hhv-6foundation.org/what-is-hhv-6 https://hhv-6foundation.org/what-is-hhv-6 I think there is just not enough research yet on what is caused or made worse by which herpes virus.
- caycep 6y ago
  Except when it doesn't. HSV encephalitis is not trivial. Post HSV neuralgia is no fun.
MiroF 6y ago
> Is it that much different than how everyone jokes about HSV1 today? Yes, the governments refusal to act on the AIDS crisis and the substantial stigma around the disease - resulting in hundreds of thousands of dead is "much different" from jokes about oral herpes on SNL.
- jtbayly 6y ago
  > the governments refusal to act on the AIDS crisis and the substantial stigma around the disease - resulting in hundreds of thousands of dead Yes. They could have and should have shut down the bath houses. It would have saved many many lives. We knew where and what the problem was, but we didn’t love them enough to tell them “no.”
  - MiroF 6y ago
    Fuck off. e: Amazing, I go from +2 to -4 after the comment has been flagged, so whoever is downvoting has no idea what it is I was replying to. Apologies for not treating homophobia in the civil manner that you all would prefer.

by Fezzik 6y ago

umanwizard 6y ago

“far less dire” is an understatement. HSV-1 causes only cosmetic effects in the vast majority of cases.

Fezzik 6y ago
That is... not exactly true: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/06/21/621908340/researchers-find-herpes-viruses-in-brains-marked-by-alzheimers-disease https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/06/21/6219083... I was not trying to diminish the atrocity that is how the AIDS epidemic was handled, I was only trying to illuminate that people (and the super-majority of our lawmakers) are immature and uninformed when talking about all infectious diseases. Edit: just look at our President’s response to Covid... it is bumbling and moronic.
- MiroF 6y ago
  So what, this tentative research that shows no causal link whatsoever between HSV-1 and alzheimers is the same as the 32 million killed by AIDS globally? No. It isn't. Stop trivializing HIV. I don't know what you're getting out of it, but it comes across as incredibly tone deaf.
  - Fezzik 6y ago
    I truly was not trying to offend or trivialize anything: my only point, as best as I can distill it, is that people react irrationally and inappropriately to infectious diseases. And we need to work on that. This is not at all unique to HIV/AIDS, even though people suffering from AIDS have born the brunt of the actual suffering. If we can’t have open, rational discussions about HSV, how can we do the same with HIV? Edit: grammar
    - MiroF 6y ago
      I understand the point you were trying to get across. Many STIs have substantial stigma around them and it makes it harder to fight them. I just want to caution you that making these forms of equivalences is a common tactic to derail and discount the impact of HIV or the experience of populations disproportionately harmed, in the same way that people derail discussions about the disproportionate killing of black people by police with statements like "why focus on black people? nobody should be killed by police." I believe that you were not intending to do so, but I also hope that you understand and can be cognizant of that dynamic.
      - Fezzik 6y ago
        MiroF - I (could not initially) reply to your comment directly, but that was a perfect analogy to make your point. I can definitely see how my first comment could be taken that way, and that was not at all my intention. As with many things, I gotta work on my contextual phrasing and presentation!
      - jojobas 6y ago
        I never understood the stigma part. Random sex exposes you to STI. IV drug use also exposes you to HIV and Hep B. It's fine to blame lung cancer on smoking (even though you can get lung cancer without it). It's however considered not fine to judge people for other risky choices. Go figure.
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guruz 6y ago
Herpes virusses can stay in the body in all kind of parts and can cause all kind of things. For example they make gum disease a lot worse (which then in turn is linked to Alzheimer's for example) https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1034/j.1600-051x.2001.028009879.x https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1034/j.1600-051x.... Note that there is a ton of other HSV-*, for example HSV-6 https://hhv-6foundation.org/what-is-hhv-6 https://hhv-6foundation.org/what-is-hhv-6 I think there is just not enough research yet on what is caused or made worse by which herpes virus.
caycep 6y ago
Except when it doesn't. HSV encephalitis is not trivial. Post HSV neuralgia is no fun.

MiroF 6y ago

> Is it that much different than how everyone jokes about HSV1 today? Yes, the governments refusal to act on the AIDS crisis and the substantial stigma around the disease - resulting in hundreds of thousands of dead is "much different" from jokes about oral herpes on SNL.

jtbayly 6y ago
> the governments refusal to act on the AIDS crisis and the substantial stigma around the disease - resulting in hundreds of thousands of dead Yes. They could have and should have shut down the bath houses. It would have saved many many lives. We knew where and what the problem was, but we didn’t love them enough to tell them “no.”
- MiroF 6y ago
  Fuck off. e: Amazing, I go from +2 to -4 after the comment has been flagged, so whoever is downvoting has no idea what it is I was replying to. Apologies for not treating homophobia in the civil manner that you all would prefer.