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I support vaccination because on aggregate they're best bang for buck in medicine that we have. The most compelling argument I heard from detractors is that a)

I support vaccination because on aggregate they're best bang for buck in medicine that we have. The most compelling argument I heard from detractors is that a) Vaccines have been tested/developed on people in Africa who were not told of the dangers of experimental treatments b)Some vaccines contain trace amounts of metals like mercury. Both a and b are True. In what way is the person that holds such views unscientific. When I was child, I was literally vaccinated with a re-used needle. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. I don't understand why you can act like vaccines have never hurt anyone ever, and claim it as the scientific view. To me this seems equally as absurd.

matwood 6y ago
> a) Vaccines have been tested/developed on people in Africa who were not told of the dangers of experimental treatments Running medical trials on unsuspecting people is wrong whether it's a new drug or vaccine. It also has little to do with the well proven safety vaccines. > b)Some vaccines contain trace amounts of metals like mercury. Ah, the classic anti-vax 'toxins' argument. I said that vaccines have been proven safe time and again (which they have). I never said they don't have trace amounts of stuff often found in much larger amounts all around us in the environment [1]. > When I was child, I was literally vaccinated with a re-used needle. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. There was a time in not so long ago medical history that things like needles were reused. It wasn't specific to vaccines. > I don't understand why you can act like vaccines have never hurt anyone ever, and claim it as the scientific view Talk about moving/making up goal posts. Nowhere did I claim that no one was ever hurt in the history of figuring out how vaccines work. What I claimed is that vaccines today have been proven safe over and over again. They also do not cause autism. [1] https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/toxic-myths-about-vaccines/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/toxic-myths-about-vaccines/

matwood 6y ago

> a) Vaccines have been tested/developed on people in Africa who were not told of the dangers of experimental treatments Running medical trials on unsuspecting people is wrong whether it's a new drug or vaccine. It also has little to do with the well proven safety vaccines. > b)Some vaccines contain trace amounts of metals like mercury. Ah, the classic anti-vax 'toxins' argument. I said that vaccines have been proven safe time and again (which they have). I never said they don't have trace amounts of stuff often found in much larger amounts all around us in the environment [1]. > When I was child, I was literally vaccinated with a re-used needle. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. There was a time in not so long ago medical history that things like needles were reused. It wasn't specific to vaccines. > I don't understand why you can act like vaccines have never hurt anyone ever, and claim it as the scientific view Talk about moving/making up goal posts. Nowhere did I claim that no one was ever hurt in the history of figuring out how vaccines work. What I claimed is that vaccines today have been proven safe over and over again. They also do not cause autism. [1] https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/toxic-myths-about-vaccines/ https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/toxic-myths-about-vaccines/