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I would say I've almost felt a degree of peer pressure to not stay home after the stay at home order lifts here. Even though I really am not comfortable with th

I would say I've almost felt a degree of peer pressure to not stay home after the stay at home order lifts here. Even though I really am not comfortable with the measures everyone has taken here. I agree I think a second wave is imminent.

throwaway122378 6y ago
I’d love to hear your argument for doing anything other than opening up back to normal (not the new normal) while the elderly and at risk continue staying at home (in addition to anyone that feels more comfortable staying home).
- majormajor 6y ago
  How do you propose to go back to "normal" because of your own "(in addition to anyone that feels more comfortable staying home)." It would get worse, there, too, if people did return to normal and cases spiked. Versus cities that are now in "new normal" and still full of people being much more cautious. If cases didn't spike - there are those who believe the flattening of case rates isn't a result of behavioral changes but was some hidden factor - then "the new normal" will continue, but you won't be back to the old one. If cases do spike, "the new normal" will get even less close to the old normal, because more and more people will self-select back into staying home. Otherwise you have to get a way more coherent government plan to get on top of the spread. Like tracking and finding and isolating cases fast. And doing more to protect the people in essential jobs which are conducive for big outbreaks.
brewdad 6y ago
My wife and I planned to ride the local rails-to-trail bike path today. We pulled up to the main lot and even the overflow parking was full. Tried the entry point 5 miles up trail and it was just as packed. At that point, we decided to head home. Technically, reopening phase 1 doesn't begin until Monday here.
- nradov 6y ago
  The lockdown orders imposed on many beaches and parks were totally counterproductive because people ended up more concentrated in the few recreational areas that remained open. At least they're getting some exercise.
DoofusOfDeath 6y ago
I share your sentiment. I recently noticed that many people in my area are returning to pre-pandemic behaviors; especially teenagers and young adults. I pointed out to my kids that sometimes you can, and sometimes you can't, estimate how dangerous a behavior is based on whether or not lots of people are doing it. Especially where there's a delay between the behavior and observable consequences. E.g., smoking cigarettes in the 1930's, or unprotected promiscuous sex in the 1980's, or (I'm guessing) pre-pandemic behaviors right now.
nikofeyn 6y ago
the first wave never ended. we did almost nothing to actually stop it and have instead just rode it. now, it's going to keep going or even pickup speed. imagine if a terrorist attack killed over 100,000 people in just a couple of months. instead, we're just like "wasn't so bad" after doing hardly anything. it's an embarrassment in the u.s. to see people in south korea and china returning back to life as almost normal without danger. and the numbers are incredibly damning to the u.s.
- chrisco255 6y ago
  Imagine treating a virus the same way as a terrorist attack. Stop pretending that governments can regulate viruses out of existence, or that armies and lockdowns are going to prevent microscopic, nanometer-sized viruses from traveling in the air. This is beyond asinine. By the way, SK just kicked the can down the road, they are continuing to get spikes because they have no herd immunity: "Coronavirus: South Korea closes schools again after biggest spike in weeks" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52845015 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52845015
  - nikofeyn 6y ago
    > Imagine treating a virus the same way as a terrorist attack. i didn't. i said imagine the situation. i'm saying that people would pay attention and treat it seriously. > Stop pretending that governments can regulate viruses out of existence isn't that exactly what south korea did? the point is that there is no excusing the u.s. response to the virus. > By the way, SK just kicked the can down the road, they are continuing to get spikes because they have no herd immunity point me to scientific evidence of herd immunity. or any evidence they've kicked the can down the road. look at their graphs and compare them to the u.s. how in the world is their response kicking the can down the road but the u.s.' isn't? that quite literally makes no sense.
    - chrisco255 6y ago
      I pointed to an article from today, where SK tried to re-open their schools and immediately shut them down again thanks to another outbreak. They have nothing under control. Their population is still vulnerable and has no antibodies. The U.S. did not have a monolithic response. Many states never shut down, and never experienced overrun hospitals. Many states had light restrictions and never experienced overrun hospitals. Some states sent sick people to nursing homes and then had overrun hospitals.
puranjay 6y ago
How are people talking about a second wave? You have over a thousand people still dying daily and over 20,000 cases/day. When did the first wave even end?

throwaway122378 6y ago

I’d love to hear your argument for doing anything other than opening up back to normal (not the new normal) while the elderly and at risk continue staying at home (in addition to anyone that feels more comfortable staying home).

majormajor 6y ago
How do you propose to go back to "normal" because of your own "(in addition to anyone that feels more comfortable staying home)." It would get worse, there, too, if people did return to normal and cases spiked. Versus cities that are now in "new normal" and still full of people being much more cautious. If cases didn't spike - there are those who believe the flattening of case rates isn't a result of behavioral changes but was some hidden factor - then "the new normal" will continue, but you won't be back to the old one. If cases do spike, "the new normal" will get even less close to the old normal, because more and more people will self-select back into staying home. Otherwise you have to get a way more coherent government plan to get on top of the spread. Like tracking and finding and isolating cases fast. And doing more to protect the people in essential jobs which are conducive for big outbreaks.

brewdad 6y ago

My wife and I planned to ride the local rails-to-trail bike path today. We pulled up to the main lot and even the overflow parking was full. Tried the entry point 5 miles up trail and it was just as packed. At that point, we decided to head home. Technically, reopening phase 1 doesn't begin until Monday here.

nradov 6y ago
The lockdown orders imposed on many beaches and parks were totally counterproductive because people ended up more concentrated in the few recreational areas that remained open. At least they're getting some exercise.

DoofusOfDeath 6y ago

I share your sentiment. I recently noticed that many people in my area are returning to pre-pandemic behaviors; especially teenagers and young adults. I pointed out to my kids that sometimes you can, and sometimes you can't, estimate how dangerous a behavior is based on whether or not lots of people are doing it. Especially where there's a delay between the behavior and observable consequences. E.g., smoking cigarettes in the 1930's, or unprotected promiscuous sex in the 1980's, or (I'm guessing) pre-pandemic behaviors right now.

nikofeyn 6y ago

the first wave never ended. we did almost nothing to actually stop it and have instead just rode it. now, it's going to keep going or even pickup speed. imagine if a terrorist attack killed over 100,000 people in just a couple of months. instead, we're just like "wasn't so bad" after doing hardly anything. it's an embarrassment in the u.s. to see people in south korea and china returning back to life as almost normal without danger. and the numbers are incredibly damning to the u.s.

chrisco255 6y ago
Imagine treating a virus the same way as a terrorist attack. Stop pretending that governments can regulate viruses out of existence, or that armies and lockdowns are going to prevent microscopic, nanometer-sized viruses from traveling in the air. This is beyond asinine. By the way, SK just kicked the can down the road, they are continuing to get spikes because they have no herd immunity: "Coronavirus: South Korea closes schools again after biggest spike in weeks" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52845015 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-52845015
- nikofeyn 6y ago
  > Imagine treating a virus the same way as a terrorist attack. i didn't. i said imagine the situation. i'm saying that people would pay attention and treat it seriously. > Stop pretending that governments can regulate viruses out of existence isn't that exactly what south korea did? the point is that there is no excusing the u.s. response to the virus. > By the way, SK just kicked the can down the road, they are continuing to get spikes because they have no herd immunity point me to scientific evidence of herd immunity. or any evidence they've kicked the can down the road. look at their graphs and compare them to the u.s. how in the world is their response kicking the can down the road but the u.s.' isn't? that quite literally makes no sense.
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    I pointed to an article from today, where SK tried to re-open their schools and immediately shut them down again thanks to another outbreak. They have nothing under control. Their population is still vulnerable and has no antibodies. The U.S. did not have a monolithic response. Many states never shut down, and never experienced overrun hospitals. Many states had light restrictions and never experienced overrun hospitals. Some states sent sick people to nursing homes and then had overrun hospitals.

puranjay 6y ago

How are people talking about a second wave? You have over a thousand people still dying daily and over 20,000 cases/day. When did the first wave even end?