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I wouldn't call it unreasonable. They were told to clear the streets. They didn't actually clear the street. They stayed on the street. Reporters not follow

I wouldn't call it unreasonable. They were told to clear the streets. They didn't actually clear the street. They stayed on the street. Reporters not following directions.

papercrane 6y ago
According to CNN's timeline the police asked them to move at 5:09 AM, the reporter asked where they wanted them, at 5:11 AM the police arrested them. The reporter was not given the chance to follow directions. https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protest-updates-05-28-20/h_4d1cff5a7a7797c0dcf2ed4bd184552a https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protest-update...
- zdragnar 6y ago
  This is a pragmatic point of view, not necessarily what I believe is "right": Generally speaking, you don't stand around and try to have a conversation with the police. In a tough situation, the very last priority of the police is helping CNN get a nice camera shot. Had they moved immediately upon being given the order to clear the street, then attempted to have the conversation, they likely would not have faced arrest.
  - danesparza 6y ago
    "Helping CNN get a nice camera shot" is something you read into this. Asking where to move to is a reasonable question to ask the police. Arrest is not a reasonable response.
  - frogpelt 6y ago
    It's possible the police were saying things that couldn't be heard on television because the mic was not in front of their mouths and they were wearing huge masks.
- stronglikedan 6y ago
  I'm not commenting on this particular case, since we don't have all of the facts yet, but it should only take seconds to comply with a lawful order, not minutes.
  - monocasa 6y ago
    Just watch the video; it was a live broadcast of the whole encounter. They were told to move, asked where was OK to move, the cops didn't give an answer (ostensibly communicating with superiors over radio), and then they were simply arrested. There's no additional facts here.
    - kfrzcode 6y ago
      Edit because thread depth: Y'all were right, the footage I saw earlier was clipped after the girl had ran. That's enough of trying to see all sides for me today. This week is hell. ----------------------- It was not a live broadcast of the "whole encounter" it was a live broadcast that started in medias res after the reporters were clearly surrounded by multiple officers of the law. Not to mention that for the hour preceding 05:00 CDT, the National Guard and Minnesota State Troopers were announcing over loudspeakers that anyone in the area was to disperse immediately or face arrest. So, it begs the question - what happened in the minutes leading up to when the camera started rolling? Is it possible the crew had already been told to leave or they would be subject to arrest, and the crew did not follow this?
      - monocasa 6y ago
        They were released 30 minutes later, with the governor apologizing saying there was no reason for them to be arrested. You're absolutely on the wrong side of this. On the wrong side of illegal arrests of the press. Of fucking CNN literally live broadcasting. > That statement is what fng hurts me to read - it's a mentality that whatever is presented is it, facts, reality, no questioning needed. I watched it live.
        hanifc 6y ago
tehwebguy 6y ago
Instructions from some random cop are not laws
- sowbug 6y ago
  In my state, one must comply with any order from a police officer who is in uniform and acting in the performance of his or her duties. This is a law with criminal consequences.
  - matuszeg 6y ago
    Any order? Even illegal ones?
  - hartator 6y ago
    Which state is that?
  - iso1631 6y ago
    So "uniformed cop" tells you to "shoot that person", you have to do it? So "uniformed cop" tells you to put a soldier up in your house, you have to do it? So "uniformed cop" tells you to empty your pockets and stand clear while they ransack your house?
  - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
    My neighbour was 'arrested' by two men in police uniform, they later murdered him, burned his body, threw remains in the river and sold his car for parts. Him family only found out after the car parts showed up in repair shops. So not everyone in uniform is a police officer.
  - hcknwscommenter 6y ago
    >In my state, one must comply with any order from a police officer Surely you are mistaken. As but one example, if a cop shows up at your house and says you need to let him in to search, you can tell him to stuff it.
    - 6y ago
streb-lo 6y ago
There's a girl in shorts standing around behind the police -- you're going to tell me she's an officer? They are just trying to get the camera crew out of there.
myko 6y ago
> I wouldn't call it unreasonable. They were told to clear the streets. They didn't actually clear the street. They stayed on the street. Reporters not following directions. It was recorded, you know. You can watch it yourself. They were asked to move, they asked where they should move to, and instead of being told where to go they were arrested.

I wouldn't call it unreasonable. They were told to clear the streets. They didn't actually clear the street. They stayed on the street. Reporters not following directions.

papercrane 6y ago

According to CNN's timeline the police asked them to move at 5:09 AM, the reporter asked where they wanted them, at 5:11 AM the police arrested them. The reporter was not given the chance to follow directions. https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protest-updates-05-28-20/h_4d1cff5a7a7797c0dcf2ed4bd184552a https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protest-update...

zdragnar 6y ago
This is a pragmatic point of view, not necessarily what I believe is "right": Generally speaking, you don't stand around and try to have a conversation with the police. In a tough situation, the very last priority of the police is helping CNN get a nice camera shot. Had they moved immediately upon being given the order to clear the street, then attempted to have the conversation, they likely would not have faced arrest.
- danesparza 6y ago
  "Helping CNN get a nice camera shot" is something you read into this. Asking where to move to is a reasonable question to ask the police. Arrest is not a reasonable response.
- frogpelt 6y ago
  It's possible the police were saying things that couldn't be heard on television because the mic was not in front of their mouths and they were wearing huge masks.
stronglikedan 6y ago
I'm not commenting on this particular case, since we don't have all of the facts yet, but it should only take seconds to comply with a lawful order, not minutes.
- monocasa 6y ago
  Just watch the video; it was a live broadcast of the whole encounter. They were told to move, asked where was OK to move, the cops didn't give an answer (ostensibly communicating with superiors over radio), and then they were simply arrested. There's no additional facts here.
  - kfrzcode 6y ago
    Edit because thread depth: Y'all were right, the footage I saw earlier was clipped after the girl had ran. That's enough of trying to see all sides for me today. This week is hell. ----------------------- It was not a live broadcast of the "whole encounter" it was a live broadcast that started in medias res after the reporters were clearly surrounded by multiple officers of the law. Not to mention that for the hour preceding 05:00 CDT, the National Guard and Minnesota State Troopers were announcing over loudspeakers that anyone in the area was to disperse immediately or face arrest. So, it begs the question - what happened in the minutes leading up to when the camera started rolling? Is it possible the crew had already been told to leave or they would be subject to arrest, and the crew did not follow this?
    - monocasa 6y ago
      They were released 30 minutes later, with the governor apologizing saying there was no reason for them to be arrested. You're absolutely on the wrong side of this. On the wrong side of illegal arrests of the press. Of fucking CNN literally live broadcasting. > That statement is what fng hurts me to read - it's a mentality that whatever is presented is it, facts, reality, no questioning needed. I watched it live.
      - hanifc 6y ago

tehwebguy 6y ago

Instructions from some random cop are not laws

sowbug 6y ago
In my state, one must comply with any order from a police officer who is in uniform and acting in the performance of his or her duties. This is a law with criminal consequences.
- matuszeg 6y ago
  Any order? Even illegal ones?
- hartator 6y ago
  Which state is that?
- iso1631 6y ago
  So "uniformed cop" tells you to "shoot that person", you have to do it? So "uniformed cop" tells you to put a soldier up in your house, you have to do it? So "uniformed cop" tells you to empty your pockets and stand clear while they ransack your house?
- ClumsyPilot 6y ago
  My neighbour was 'arrested' by two men in police uniform, they later murdered him, burned his body, threw remains in the river and sold his car for parts. Him family only found out after the car parts showed up in repair shops. So not everyone in uniform is a police officer.
- hcknwscommenter 6y ago
  >In my state, one must comply with any order from a police officer Surely you are mistaken. As but one example, if a cop shows up at your house and says you need to let him in to search, you can tell him to stuff it.
  - 6y ago

streb-lo 6y ago

There's a girl in shorts standing around behind the police -- you're going to tell me she's an officer? They are just trying to get the camera crew out of there.

myko 6y ago

> I wouldn't call it unreasonable. They were told to clear the streets. They didn't actually clear the street. They stayed on the street. Reporters not following directions. It was recorded, you know. You can watch it yourself. They were asked to move, they asked where they should move to, and instead of being told where to go they were arrested.