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Unlike BN(O)/BOC, India's caste system isn't supported by law.

chii 6y ago
being supported by cultural norms is worse than being supported by law. Laws can be overturned by a stroke of the pen. Cultural norms still persist after the law is overturned. Case in point: black racism and prejudice in the USA.
- lern_too_spel 6y ago
  Are you suggesting that the current situation for blacks is worse than when there were Jim Crow laws? When racist laws are in place, there are also cultural norms that exist with them.
  - PakG1 6y ago
    It's better, but problems obviously still exist.
    - lern_too_spel 6y ago
      I didn't disagree with that. The point is that when there are racist laws, the situation is strictly worse than when there are only racist cultural norms because the former does not exist without the latter.
- techie128 6y ago
  Cultural norms typically dictate laws and not the other way round. Case in point: The US constitution granted Women right to vote on August 26, 1920 when the Nineteenth Amendment was adopted. And no, it did not happen with a "stroke of a pen". The movement began in 1771 and their rights finally enshrined in the US Constitution in 1920 (~150 years).
barking 6y ago
True but it definitely doesn't do much to stamp it out. In Britain, if you want to see racism, try being a white boy dating a non-white girl. If she's black, black males in general won't like it and if she's Indian, her family will almost definitely not like it.
- zo1 6y ago
  Interesting choice of words... White Boy, Non-White girl, black male? This is the same sort of non-sense that the Feminists were warning the world about decades ago: How stereotypes and other bad properties are built-in to the culture and language, and we should address them. We seem to have all too easily forgotten that and simply replaced them with new forms of sexism and racism.
  - barking 6y ago
    What words should I have used?
- lern_too_spel 6y ago
  > In Britain, if you want to see racism, try being a white boy dating a non-white girl Try being a non-white boy dating a white girl. Do you think racism doesn't rear its head in that case? In any case, this is pretty blatant whataboutism. The article is about the UK, not about other countries, and racism in other countries does not make racism in the UK less bad.
  - barking 6y ago
    Sure it does but families from certain non native communities in the UK will go to extreme extents to break up such relationships.
    - lern_too_spel 6y ago
      Families from certain native communities in the UK will do that, too. They just call it "nativism" instead of "racism."

chii 6y ago

being supported by cultural norms is worse than being supported by law. Laws can be overturned by a stroke of the pen. Cultural norms still persist after the law is overturned. Case in point: black racism and prejudice in the USA.

lern_too_spel 6y ago
Are you suggesting that the current situation for blacks is worse than when there were Jim Crow laws? When racist laws are in place, there are also cultural norms that exist with them.
- PakG1 6y ago
  It's better, but problems obviously still exist.
  - lern_too_spel 6y ago
    I didn't disagree with that. The point is that when there are racist laws, the situation is strictly worse than when there are only racist cultural norms because the former does not exist without the latter.
techie128 6y ago
Cultural norms typically dictate laws and not the other way round. Case in point: The US constitution granted Women right to vote on August 26, 1920 when the Nineteenth Amendment was adopted. And no, it did not happen with a "stroke of a pen". The movement began in 1771 and their rights finally enshrined in the US Constitution in 1920 (~150 years).

barking 6y ago

True but it definitely doesn't do much to stamp it out. In Britain, if you want to see racism, try being a white boy dating a non-white girl. If she's black, black males in general won't like it and if she's Indian, her family will almost definitely not like it.

zo1 6y ago
Interesting choice of words... White Boy, Non-White girl, black male? This is the same sort of non-sense that the Feminists were warning the world about decades ago: How stereotypes and other bad properties are built-in to the culture and language, and we should address them. We seem to have all too easily forgotten that and simply replaced them with new forms of sexism and racism.
- barking 6y ago
  What words should I have used?
lern_too_spel 6y ago
> In Britain, if you want to see racism, try being a white boy dating a non-white girl Try being a non-white boy dating a white girl. Do you think racism doesn't rear its head in that case? In any case, this is pretty blatant whataboutism. The article is about the UK, not about other countries, and racism in other countries does not make racism in the UK less bad.
- barking 6y ago
  Sure it does but families from certain non native communities in the UK will go to extreme extents to break up such relationships.
  - lern_too_spel 6y ago
    Families from certain native communities in the UK will do that, too. They just call it "nativism" instead of "racism."