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Why not help make it better by sending some pull requests or patches ? One and half hour long rant. Not exactly hacker mindset.

input_sh 6y ago
It's a yearly thing of his that he spends like half an hour complaining about desktop experience and then twists it around and basically uses the same arguments to say that it's awesome. Simplified example: way too many desktop environments, why do we need so many half-arsed ones? Half an hour later: woo, we can choose which desktop experience fits our needs the best, who else can do that? I've followed it for like two or three years and then got tired of the format.
- imtringued 6y ago
  I've seen a bunch of videos on Youtube where a Linux user is basically analyzing problems in the UI of common desktop environments for Linux and compares them to how the UX is on other OSs. Not sure if those youtubers are actually developers working on the patches because they also report when something they complained about gets fixed.
  - karateka 6y ago
    That sounds quite interesting, do you recall what any of those videos are called or who uploaded them?
    - Nullabillity 6y ago
      Tantacrul did one on MuseScore[0] (a music composing program), and ended up getting hired as their head of design[1]. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hZxo96x48A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hZxo96x48A [1]: Mentioned in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-3wEC6Fj_8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-3wEC6Fj_8, but don't have the exact timestamp
      - swiley 6y ago
        Criticizing a single application is very different than criticizing the availability of different GUI toolkits.
  - swiley 6y ago
    I’ve never quite understood the “Linux DEs and GUIs are inconsistent” complaint. I wouldn’t want everything to be GTK because that’s IMO not a great GUI toolkit.
    - Normal_gaussian 6y ago
      I use a pretty default i3wm/i3bar/dmenu setup as my 'de'. The best things about it is its not like the other GUIs. It has no discoverability, and its small and "hard" to see. Which is great, because I know it backwards and would like to look at other things. I don't know Krita, and it requires a lot of focus. Boy am I glad its not like my de.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
      Yeah, I mean, who would want their environment to function consistently?
nix23 6y ago
Why not work in another project where the work actually makes fun?
WalterGR 6y ago
No one is allowed to criticize open source / free software. To generalize, no one is allowed to criticize things they can improve. Why not help making it easier to send pull requests or patches, rather than complaining about his complaint?
TimGremalm 6y ago
It's more like a roast by a comedian. Bryan Lunduke have made this talk many times before at Linux conferences.
watwut 6y ago
Only praise is allowed. Making pull request or patch would take significantly more time the writing one and half hour long rant.
nefasti 6y ago
And that answer is one of the reasons Linux sucks.

input_sh 6y ago

It's a yearly thing of his that he spends like half an hour complaining about desktop experience and then twists it around and basically uses the same arguments to say that it's awesome. Simplified example: way too many desktop environments, why do we need so many half-arsed ones? Half an hour later: woo, we can choose which desktop experience fits our needs the best, who else can do that? I've followed it for like two or three years and then got tired of the format.

imtringued 6y ago
I've seen a bunch of videos on Youtube where a Linux user is basically analyzing problems in the UI of common desktop environments for Linux and compares them to how the UX is on other OSs. Not sure if those youtubers are actually developers working on the patches because they also report when something they complained about gets fixed.
- karateka 6y ago
  That sounds quite interesting, do you recall what any of those videos are called or who uploaded them?
  - Nullabillity 6y ago
    Tantacrul did one on MuseScore[0] (a music composing program), and ended up getting hired as their head of design[1]. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hZxo96x48A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hZxo96x48A [1]: Mentioned in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-3wEC6Fj_8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-3wEC6Fj_8, but don't have the exact timestamp
    - swiley 6y ago
      Criticizing a single application is very different than criticizing the availability of different GUI toolkits.
- swiley 6y ago
  I’ve never quite understood the “Linux DEs and GUIs are inconsistent” complaint. I wouldn’t want everything to be GTK because that’s IMO not a great GUI toolkit.
  - Normal_gaussian 6y ago
    I use a pretty default i3wm/i3bar/dmenu setup as my 'de'. The best things about it is its not like the other GUIs. It has no discoverability, and its small and "hard" to see. Which is great, because I know it backwards and would like to look at other things. I don't know Krita, and it requires a lot of focus. Boy am I glad its not like my de.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
    Yeah, I mean, who would want their environment to function consistently?

nix23 6y ago

Why not work in another project where the work actually makes fun?

WalterGR 6y ago

No one is allowed to criticize open source / free software. To generalize, no one is allowed to criticize things they can improve. Why not help making it easier to send pull requests or patches, rather than complaining about his complaint?

TimGremalm 6y ago

It's more like a roast by a comedian. Bryan Lunduke have made this talk many times before at Linux conferences.

watwut 6y ago

Only praise is allowed. Making pull request or patch would take significantly more time the writing one and half hour long rant.

nefasti 6y ago

And that answer is one of the reasons Linux sucks.