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I suppose the answer is to simply not use Emoji in your documents.

fermienrico 6y ago
Lol that's obvious. But, the trend is what I am concerned about and asking if others feel the same. I can't control if I am reading someone else document full of emojis. Can you imagine RFCs in this format? To me, Emojis have a place when you're discussing with others and socially interacting. May be even in code reviews to reduce friction and add some human emotion to what you're saying in cold words. Use it to chat with people - totally ok. Documents with emojis is definitely an anti-pattern IMO. To give an extreme example, can you imagine reading python docs with Emojis? Or Tolstoy? What about tax documents with emojis? Court proceedings? Job resumes? Aircraft emergency checklists?
- alexbanks 6y ago
  "I don't like emojis so they are an antipattern." I don't like emojis so I don't use them. I have no interest in demanding how other people define their docs.
  - rhn_mk1 6y ago
    This is not quite what the parent says. A big part is: "I don't like emoji. How do they make you feel?"
  - plibither8 6y ago
    > I have no interest in demanding how other people define their docs. I definitely do not want emoji's in official documents, emergency procedures, etc. And I would demand for the same - emoji's are at best decorative, and a lot of times a distraction. Most documents that are of importance to me should be straightforwardly written - and that means no emojis.
    - fermienrico 6y ago
      I totally agree. Emojis are great for conversations. Not when information needs to be conveyed in a document.
- patcon 6y ago
  Through a Gender Lens: Learning Usage Patterns of Emojis from Large-Scale Android Users https://arxiv.org/pdf/1705.05546.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1705.05546.pdf > Gender difference is always an important research topic in sociological and psychological studies from which there are many interesting findings. For example, females are evidenced to show a greater number of facial activities than males [40, 41] and observers can identify emotional states more accurately from female faces than from male faces [39]. With the advancement of data science methods, these hypotheses and conjectures about gender differences are measured and tested quantitatively through analyzing online behaviors of users at scale. For example, when the “facial expressions" (emoticons) become popular in text, researchers investigated the relationship between gender and emoticon usage and found superiority of females in using emoticons [44, 48, 54], which verifies the sociological findings about non-verbal expressivity of females [2, 18, 29]. Not that this means YOU specifically need to like emoji, but it's probably important to recognize that preferences and usage patterns differ by gender (and neurotype). Male minds (for whatever reasons) are often less likely to use and rely on them. Interpretation of any data is fraught (nature? nurture?), but it may be that emojis make documents more legible to certain minds, which perhaps have different optimal conditions in which they process information. So "Emoji are an anti-pattern" perhaps only holds true for neurotypes that don't depend as much on non-verbal signals when processing information. The opposite may be true for others. E.g. Cultural norms aside, maybe emoji in a resume would actually help certain hiring managers select the best candidates. (heh that's probably a more dramatic claim that I'd actually stake my case on :) )
- powersnail 6y ago
  - Docs with emoji: Yes, I can imagine that. - Tolstoy: No, he's not gonna writing anything new, so I can't imagine a way someone could insert emojis into his work. - Tax Documents: No. Government employees won't care enough to put in the effort. - Court proceedings: Reason same as above. - Job Resume: Yes. Probably already exist. - Aircraft emergence checklist: No. Some of these are too extreme. And such a slippery slope is a logical fallacy. There have always been people who put playful things into documentations and notes/wikis/resumes, before emoji became so wide-spread. Government documents and emergency checklists never.
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saagarjha 6y ago
Other people put emoji in documents you read.
carterklein13 6y ago
In apps like Notion, your experience is somewhat worsened if you don't use emojis. Since there's not an easy way to add "default" icons, emojis become the de-facto means of conveying information other than typing out your meaning. Similarly, AFAIK every document in Notion has an icon associated, and when every document just has a placeholder page icon next to it - it looks ugly.

Lol that's obvious. But, the trend is what I am concerned about and asking if others feel the same. I can't control if I am reading someone else document full of emojis. Can you imagine RFCs in this format? To me, Emojis have a place when you're discussing with others and socially interacting. May be even in code reviews to reduce friction and add some human emotion to what you're saying in cold words. Use it to chat with people - totally ok. Documents with emojis is definitely an anti-pattern IMO. To give an extreme example, can you imagine reading python docs with Emojis? Or Tolstoy? What about tax documents with emojis? Court proceedings? Job resumes? Aircraft emergency checklists?

alexbanks 6y ago
"I don't like emojis so they are an antipattern." I don't like emojis so I don't use them. I have no interest in demanding how other people define their docs.
- rhn_mk1 6y ago
  This is not quite what the parent says. A big part is: "I don't like emoji. How do they make you feel?"
- plibither8 6y ago
  > I have no interest in demanding how other people define their docs. I definitely do not want emoji's in official documents, emergency procedures, etc. And I would demand for the same - emoji's are at best decorative, and a lot of times a distraction. Most documents that are of importance to me should be straightforwardly written - and that means no emojis.
  - fermienrico 6y ago
    I totally agree. Emojis are great for conversations. Not when information needs to be conveyed in a document.
patcon 6y ago
Through a Gender Lens: Learning Usage Patterns of Emojis from Large-Scale Android Users https://arxiv.org/pdf/1705.05546.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1705.05546.pdf > Gender difference is always an important research topic in sociological and psychological studies from which there are many interesting findings. For example, females are evidenced to show a greater number of facial activities than males [40, 41] and observers can identify emotional states more accurately from female faces than from male faces [39]. With the advancement of data science methods, these hypotheses and conjectures about gender differences are measured and tested quantitatively through analyzing online behaviors of users at scale. For example, when the “facial expressions" (emoticons) become popular in text, researchers investigated the relationship between gender and emoticon usage and found superiority of females in using emoticons [44, 48, 54], which verifies the sociological findings about non-verbal expressivity of females [2, 18, 29]. Not that this means YOU specifically need to like emoji, but it's probably important to recognize that preferences and usage patterns differ by gender (and neurotype). Male minds (for whatever reasons) are often less likely to use and rely on them. Interpretation of any data is fraught (nature? nurture?), but it may be that emojis make documents more legible to certain minds, which perhaps have different optimal conditions in which they process information. So "Emoji are an anti-pattern" perhaps only holds true for neurotypes that don't depend as much on non-verbal signals when processing information. The opposite may be true for others. E.g. Cultural norms aside, maybe emoji in a resume would actually help certain hiring managers select the best candidates. (heh that's probably a more dramatic claim that I'd actually stake my case on :) )
powersnail 6y ago
- Docs with emoji: Yes, I can imagine that. - Tolstoy: No, he's not gonna writing anything new, so I can't imagine a way someone could insert emojis into his work. - Tax Documents: No. Government employees won't care enough to put in the effort. - Court proceedings: Reason same as above. - Job Resume: Yes. Probably already exist. - Aircraft emergence checklist: No. Some of these are too extreme. And such a slippery slope is a logical fallacy. There have always been people who put playful things into documentations and notes/wikis/resumes, before emoji became so wide-spread. Government documents and emergency checklists never.
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saagarjha 6y ago

Other people put emoji in documents you read.

carterklein13 6y ago

In apps like Notion, your experience is somewhat worsened if you don't use emojis. Since there's not an easy way to add "default" icons, emojis become the de-facto means of conveying information other than typing out your meaning. Similarly, AFAIK every document in Notion has an icon associated, and when every document just has a placeholder page icon next to it - it looks ugly.