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You seem to be very convinced that there is an efficient way to filter 100% of spam without false positives. Which seems optimistic if you have ever dealt with
by notkaiho 6y ago
You seem to be very convinced that there is an efficient way to filter 100% of spam without false positives. Which seems optimistic if you have ever dealt with email, text analysis or any aspect of spam detection.
- garaetjjte 6y agoObviously perfect method doesn't exist. But sender must be aware of delivery failure, silently diverting messages from inbox is unacceptable.
- brokenmachine 6y agoThe problem is that then it would turn into an arms race - the spammers would use that information to perform reconnaissance and learn what gets through and what doesn't.
- jobigoud 6y agoNo they are saying that since 0% false positives is not possible we still need to browse the spam folder which defeats the whole point. If there is a subset of messages for which we can be 100% then these messages don't need to be stored.
- CrazyStat 6y agoAn imperfect classification is still useful. I can focus on messages that are more likely to be important most days, and only check the spam folder once a week or so. Checking the spam folder generally requires little attention and can be scheduled for when I'm tired/distracted/whatever.
- p1necone 6y agoSearching the spam folder is a source of entertainment to me. Every so often I'll get an especially elaborate one, they're pretty funny to read sometimes.
- mindslight 6y agoOP is saying that any failure should propagate back as an SMTP error code, rather than lying to the sender with success while silently hiding the message. OP is not wrong - it's just not how most MTAs are currently set up.
- dmurray 6y agoGoogle is incredibly good at this. I see maybe 20 false negatives a year (they usually get corrected if I don't check my mail for a few hours) and 1-2 false positives. This out of thousands of good emails and 100,000+ spam mails. That said, I think it's good to keep the "spam" folder. I normally only check it if I learn through another channel that I should have got a mail, I don't "browse it every few days" as some others suggest.
- pembrook 6y ago> google is incredibly good at this. Interesting. My experience has been exactly the opposite. For me, using Gmail is like using Microsoft word in 2007. Slow interface, 34 different navigation menus, emails from friends appear in either promotions or updates at random, spam filter has a false positive once per week. The only thing missing is the little animated paperclip guy.
- notkaiho 6y agoCan't say I've ever had personal email end up in Promotions, but would have thought it would learn after you move a message that had landed there into your inbox...