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Show HN: Straight2Spam – Send your email right to someone's spam folder
- sprior 6y agoCute, but you could also just include the eicar text: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EICAR_test_file https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EICAR_test_file
- sprior 6y agoActually I got my test signatures mixed up for a second, what you want is GTUBE: https://spamassassin.apache.org/gtube/ https://spamassassin.apache.org/gtube/
- adenner 6y agoWhy not both?
- joombaga 6y agoBecause EICAR might get the email straight blocked instead of marked as spam.
- mark242 6y agoIf you look at what gets copied to the clipboard, GTUBE is at the end of it.
- gauravphoenix 6y agoI just sent an email from my gmail to my Gsuite backed mailbox with the gtube text, didn't work :( the email landed in my inbox.
- mynameisvlad 6y agoMy selfhosted mailcow (https://mailcow.email https://mailcow.email) instance blocked me from sending it (the SMTP server actually rejected it), and then blocked the one I sent from Gmail to it with 554 5.7.1 Gtube pattern. Didn't even show up in Spam.
- m463 6y agothat is pretty cool, it's like a virus hello, world!
- notadog 6y agoKeep in mind that this has the possibility of creating an awkward situation if someone notices what you added to the email.
- MattGaiser 6y agoEven better. You can claim the email is phishing.
- Nextgrid 6y agoYou can always claim your machine had malware that includes this to all emails. Would be nice if the order of the filler words was random so you couldn’t search for all of it and end up on this page.
- crispyporkbites 6y agoI suspect this would actually get through a lot of advanced spam filters. It would be easier to just send an email “from” you through a relay that has no dkim or spf configured, that will always land in spam.
- gruez 6y agoAgreed, if spf/dkim of the email checks out, and they replied to your messages before, chances are that it will go through regardless of content.
- comboy 6y agoOr just set up your own SMTP server ;)
- tradewarsonlyn 6y agoAs some who has suffered through managing a qmail smtp cluster and dealing with DNSBLs, allow me to say just one thing: Very. Underrated. Comment.
- mmastrac 6y agoYep. Just send it from a residential IP. I ended up subscribing to an SMTP service that explicitly masked my home IP as Google's sending service included it and was causing my emails to my bank to automatically get flagged as spam.
- Crosseye_Jack 6y agoAs someone who has set up many SMTP servers even on very new domain names. Yhe only issue I've actually come across is outlook.com who happily will whitelist if you poke them via their support once you you have dkim and spf set up. EDIT: if you are working from IPs that may not be clean (and in an IPv4 world thats prob true) many DNSBLs will work with you to remove your ip's from their lists if you are actually nice and polite with them. Just check your IP's before your set up your network so they have a heads up that someone will be on the other end of any complaints. That has always works for me.
- XiS 6y agooutlook.com is indeed the worst. Got a pointer how to make this whitelist happen @outlook? Got SPF and DKIM setup since I started my personal mailserver, but still piggybacking of my old University's open relay (on campus) to get my mail to land in outlook inboxes...
- Crosseye_Jack 6y agohttps://support.microsoft.com/en-us/supportrequestform/8ad563e3-288e-2a61-8122-3ba03d6b8d75 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/supportrequestform/8ad56... And if you get rejected with your first request, pester them with a follow up saying something like "Hey, I'm, a cloud customer. I don't control the whole IP range. I ask you to reconsider the initial rejection." That's always worked for me with outlook. Takes a few days (which is why I say do it as soon as you know what your IP range is) Be nice and polite (from what I understand real humans read that request) be honest with what you have done as of time of writing the requyest and what you are planning to do. But be persistent with them and they will basically grant you a whitelist unless you start fucking up.
- hckr_news 6y agoWhy do I feel like this is something Larry David’s character in Curb would just love.
- cyorir 6y agoSusie Greene: You sick fuck, Larry David! What do you think you're doing, sending invites straight to spam folders?
- 3001 6y agoI feel like it will be more like Jeff who would call him out on it.Susie will just get mad she did not receive it.
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- discordance 6y agoYeah this is Larry's version of the MAGA hat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2oLFKYNInQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2oLFKYNInQ
- garaetjjte 6y agoSpam folder is one of things that annoys me in email. It really doesn't make sense: if message is spam, then why store it at all? But legitimate messages silently going to spam folder is critical, unacceptable failure. You could regularly browse spam folder, but then.. what's the point? You would be skimming through all the junk anyway, that's defeating whole purpose of filtering. Personally I don't have spam folder: either message is rejected immediately at SMTP time, or it goes straight to my inbox. (another thing that annoys me is greylisting, it just breaks instant messaging for no good reason)
- notkaiho 6y agoYou seem to be very convinced that there is an efficient way to filter 100% of spam without false positives. Which seems optimistic if you have ever dealt with email, text analysis or any aspect of spam detection.
- garaetjjte 6y agoObviously perfect method doesn't exist. But sender must be aware of delivery failure, silently diverting messages from inbox is unacceptable.
- brokenmachine 6y agoThe problem is that then it would turn into an arms race - the spammers would use that information to perform reconnaissance and learn what gets through and what doesn't.
- jobigoud 6y agoNo they are saying that since 0% false positives is not possible we still need to browse the spam folder which defeats the whole point. If there is a subset of messages for which we can be 100% then these messages don't need to be stored.
- CrazyStat 6y ago
- loltyler1 6y agoeZii app of the day
- millette 6y agoSmall print inspiration. I miss you Nathan! https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3844780/ https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3844780/
- ivanech 6y agoHere's a video of the original system from the TV show Nathan for You: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9KeopXHcf8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9KeopXHcf8
- somishere 6y agoWould have appreciated a snail mail version of this for my wedding ...
- aasasd 6y agoJust so the uncertainty is out and you know for sure where your message is? “Hi, I sent the email. Check the spam folder, it's there”. Note also: dunno about webmail, but e.g. Thunderbird ignores most formatting when displaying a message marked as spam.
- kroltan 6y agoGmail keeps basic CSS, I once received the famous "I recorded your webcam watching naughty stuff!" spam, and the particular attacker "hid" the compromised password (long since changed) in white text between each paragraph, making it essentially invisible.
- saagarjha 6y agoWhy would they send you a compromised password and disguise it?
- kroltan 6y agoI suspect to key the email to a particular user and prevent scambaiting? And possibly gather the tiniest bit more information in case someone replies from another email address. (Now they know that the sent email is read and the received is actively used)
- gerdesj 6y agoI run loads of small business email systems and have done for decades, in the UK. That thing has GTUBE at the end of it, which doesn't look quite as dodgy as EICAR to humans. lol. Without the GTUBE string, rspamd scores 10.50, which is flagable by default. With it, rspamd scores 15.0 (ie whatever REJECT is set to) and ignores the rest of the message. rofl.
- asimpletune 6y agoI love the Nathan for You reference in here. One of my all time favorite shows.
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- zeta0134 6y agoI know we're not supposed to comment on voting, but... this has got to be the spammiest-looking comment to ever gain this many legitimate upvotes without being removed. ...Well done.
- AndrewKemendo 6y agoIt's just the content of the text you put into your email to get it flagged.
- Zenbit_UX 6y agoYes, we know
- cbogie 6y agono doi
- throwaway_pdp09 6y agoI hope that was some kind of meta-comment.
- mattl 6y agoIt needs one inch penis, two inch penis -- all the way up to 10 or something.
- patchtopic 6y agoSince it has the GTUBE you are intentionally making an email that will get bounced almost everywhere so you may as well not send it.
- drewbug 6y agosorta like Slydial
- notadog 6y agoFor those unaware of what Slydial is, it is an app that sends calls directly to a person's voicemail.
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- markandrewj 6y agolol
- frjalex 6y agoNext big idea: Straight2Spam detection.
- cube00 6y agoThat's the monetization plan.
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- mtsx 6y agobut "I check my spam folder every day" :)
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- blattinum 6y agodoesn't work. lol
- vagab0nd 6y agoNow, can somebody make a version that takes my normal email message, change a few characters, and turn it into spam in the eyes of the neural nets, similar to the one pixel attack?
- DarmokJalad1701 6y agoHoly emoji batman!