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Source article this is based on: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02684527.2020.1743538 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02684527.2020.1

by sgift 6y ago

Source article this is based on: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02684527.2020.1743538 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/02684527.2020.1... (Found it since I cannot read the full economist article)

SiempreViernes 6y ago
This is much better than the very brief economist article, many thanks!
ttul 6y ago
There is a German Wikipedia page on the topic. I created an English one that paraphrases the German one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Maximator_(Spying_Alliance) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Maximator_(Spying_Allian... .. but it's stuck in Wikipedia's review queue, which means it will be weeks before it goes live, if ever.
- cabalamat 6y ago
  > it's stuck in Wikipedia's review queue, which means it will be weeks before it goes live, if ever. Does that happen for all new articles on Wikipedia now? If so, I'm glad I no longer edit Wikipedia.
  - cataphract 6y ago
    Only if you're a new user or a user with very few edits or are editing without being logged in.
    - pbhjpbhj 6y ago
      So can older users with more rep vouch for pages to pull them out of the queue?
      - cataphract 6y ago
        No, there are much more stringent requirement for that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Participants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles...
  - ignoramous 6y ago
    > If so, I'm glad I no longer edit Wikipedia. You should give it a try. Though, original research is not allowed (and the much maligned bureaucratic processes around frequently vandalized and controversial topics get tiresome), a lot of topics are simply missing or have inadequate or out-of-date information. A lot of content that goes into blogs and other publications can be neatly summarised in a wiki-page, which is really useful to anyone doing a quick research on the topic.
    - cabalamat 6y ago
      > a lot of topics are simply missing One of the last articles I created on Wikipedia was of Sunder Katwala[1] who at the time was head of the Fabian Society[2]. Shortly after, a deletionist calling itself Wireless Keyboard stuck a Speedy Deletion notice[3] on my article, even though it was patently obvious to anyone who bothered to follow the links why he was notable. I've only ever created one Wikipedia article since then. Fuck Wikipedia and fuck deletionists. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunder_Katwala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunder_Katwala 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society 3: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sunder_Katwala&oldid=412530875 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sunder_Katwala&ol...
  - incompatible 6y ago
    Is it really unexpected that Wikipedia has to protect itself from disinformation, trolls, defamation, and spam, these days? Edit: and has already gone live at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximator_(Intelligence_alliance) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximator_(Intelligence_allian....
livatlantis 6y ago
Thank you for this complete version. Random detail, but "Maximator" is a type of beer (a Starkbier/Doppelbock) brewed by the the very popular Augustiner brewery, not a brand in itself. In fact, it's a Bavarian tradition for the names of Doppelbocks to generally end in "-ator": Celebrator, Optimator, Animator...
- cmroanirgo 6y ago
  The article covers this fact well. I like the idea that a super secret cabal name is based on the drink they were having at the time. It humanizes the whole endeavour showing how they agree on more than secrecy.
  - sorokod 6y ago
    Or the place they were having the drink in, like the Beer Hall Putsch https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch
- smcl 6y ago
  (offtopic) Huh funny, there's a Czech beer called Primátor and I wondered for a second if it was named in the same tradition. However it is the title of a mayor of a "statutory city" [1] - which is apparently something like a City that isn't governed as part of a larger county/state/district. [1] https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prim%C3%A1tor https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prim%C3%A1tor
  - livatlantis 6y ago
    Ha! (offtopic 2) How's the beer?
    - smcl 6y ago
      They make decent beer but it's not so widespread (round here the main brands are Pilsner Urquell, Radegast ... or Starobrno. Don't bother with the latter) and you can only get it in supermarkets or a few bars.
smartbit 6y ago
Related articles - Hacker News 4 month ago https://hn.algolia.com/?query=Crypto%20AG https://hn.algolia.com/?query=Crypto%20AG - April 8, in Dutch https://www.vpro.nl/argos/lees/nieuws/2020/Nederland-maakt-deel-uit-van-geheime-Europese-afluisteralliantie-.html https://www.vpro.nl/argos/lees/nieuws/2020/Nederland-maakt-d... BTW https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome/ https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome/ works for circumventing economist paywall.
dang 6y ago
Ok, since people seem to be liking this better, we've switched to it from https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/05/26/maximator-a-european-spy-pact-to-rival-the-five-eyes-comes-to-light https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/05/26/maximator-a-euro.... Thanks!

by sgift 6y ago

SiempreViernes 6y ago

This is much better than the very brief economist article, many thanks!

ttul 6y ago

There is a German Wikipedia page on the topic. I created an English one that paraphrases the German one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Maximator_(Spying_Alliance) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Maximator_(Spying_Allian... .. but it's stuck in Wikipedia's review queue, which means it will be weeks before it goes live, if ever.

cabalamat 6y ago
> it's stuck in Wikipedia's review queue, which means it will be weeks before it goes live, if ever. Does that happen for all new articles on Wikipedia now? If so, I'm glad I no longer edit Wikipedia.
- cataphract 6y ago
  Only if you're a new user or a user with very few edits or are editing without being logged in.
  - pbhjpbhj 6y ago
    So can older users with more rep vouch for pages to pull them out of the queue?
    - cataphract 6y ago
      No, there are much more stringent requirement for that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Participants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles...
- ignoramous 6y ago
  > If so, I'm glad I no longer edit Wikipedia. You should give it a try. Though, original research is not allowed (and the much maligned bureaucratic processes around frequently vandalized and controversial topics get tiresome), a lot of topics are simply missing or have inadequate or out-of-date information. A lot of content that goes into blogs and other publications can be neatly summarised in a wiki-page, which is really useful to anyone doing a quick research on the topic.
  - cabalamat 6y ago
    > a lot of topics are simply missing One of the last articles I created on Wikipedia was of Sunder Katwala[1] who at the time was head of the Fabian Society[2]. Shortly after, a deletionist calling itself Wireless Keyboard stuck a Speedy Deletion notice[3] on my article, even though it was patently obvious to anyone who bothered to follow the links why he was notable. I've only ever created one Wikipedia article since then. Fuck Wikipedia and fuck deletionists. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunder_Katwala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunder_Katwala 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society 3: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sunder_Katwala&oldid=412530875 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sunder_Katwala&ol...
- incompatible 6y ago
  Is it really unexpected that Wikipedia has to protect itself from disinformation, trolls, defamation, and spam, these days? Edit: and has already gone live at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximator_(Intelligence_alliance) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximator_(Intelligence_allian....

livatlantis 6y ago

Thank you for this complete version. Random detail, but "Maximator" is a type of beer (a Starkbier/Doppelbock) brewed by the the very popular Augustiner brewery, not a brand in itself. In fact, it's a Bavarian tradition for the names of Doppelbocks to generally end in "-ator": Celebrator, Optimator, Animator...

cmroanirgo 6y ago
The article covers this fact well. I like the idea that a super secret cabal name is based on the drink they were having at the time. It humanizes the whole endeavour showing how they agree on more than secrecy.
- sorokod 6y ago
  Or the place they were having the drink in, like the Beer Hall Putsch https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer_Hall_Putsch
smcl 6y ago
(offtopic) Huh funny, there's a Czech beer called Primátor and I wondered for a second if it was named in the same tradition. However it is the title of a mayor of a "statutory city" [1] - which is apparently something like a City that isn't governed as part of a larger county/state/district. [1] https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prim%C3%A1tor https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prim%C3%A1tor
- livatlantis 6y ago
  Ha! (offtopic 2) How's the beer?
  - smcl 6y ago
    They make decent beer but it's not so widespread (round here the main brands are Pilsner Urquell, Radegast ... or Starobrno. Don't bother with the latter) and you can only get it in supermarkets or a few bars.

smartbit 6y ago

Related articles - Hacker News 4 month ago https://hn.algolia.com/?query=Crypto%20AG https://hn.algolia.com/?query=Crypto%20AG - April 8, in Dutch https://www.vpro.nl/argos/lees/nieuws/2020/Nederland-maakt-deel-uit-van-geheime-Europese-afluisteralliantie-.html https://www.vpro.nl/argos/lees/nieuws/2020/Nederland-maakt-d... BTW https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome/ https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome/ works for circumventing economist paywall.

dang 6y ago

Ok, since people seem to be liking this better, we've switched to it from https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/05/26/maximator-a-european-spy-pact-to-rival-the-five-eyes-comes-to-light https://www.economist.com/europe/2020/05/26/maximator-a-euro.... Thanks!