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Yeah, but then you have another vendor lock in, not to mention that apple products are expensive for me, I don't have an US salary.

snazz 6y ago
I just had a discussion with someone on Lobsters about the actual cost of a lower-end iPhone versus a similarly-priced Android phone and the iPhone appeared cheaper: > The Pixel 4 is $799 and the Pixel 3a is $399 (although it may be on sale right now depending on your region). The iPhone 11 is $699 and the iPhone SE (2nd generation) is $399. Both provide additional discounts if you trade in your current phone (and since iPhones have a lot more resale value, you can get much more for your trade-in). Google provides three years of security updates, starting from the time that the phone is released. Apple provides four or five years of security (and feature!) updates. You can get the same amount of usable life out of a brand-new Pixel as a one- or two-year-old iPhone, which puts the per-year price strongly in Apple's favor. Other Android devices, like those made by Samsung, are usually even more expensive and have fewer years of guaranteed security updates. Apple even backports extremely high-severity security patches and major bug fixes (like the GPS rollover patch) to devices that would be considered "obsolete" by Android manufacturers. So the iPhone might be a higher upfront cost, but it's a significantly lower per-year cost, especially if you get last year's model or the SE.
- viraptor 6y ago
  Maybe I've been really unlucky, but I haven't seen an iPhone realistically surviving more than 3 years with real usage. Buttons dying and the battery barely surviving a day was pretty common. I know there will be survivor examples out there, but without knowing the average it's hard to compare them.
  - StreamBright 6y ago
    Anecdotal evidence but all of my iPhones survived 5 years.
  - reaperducer 6y ago
    I have an iPhone 5 in my immediate family that is in daily use. It was bought on launch day in 2012. (I know because I stood in line for it.)
  - ThePowerOfFuet 6y ago
    I'm using an iPhone 7 which is almost five years old. Apple has changed the battery once (during which I was without the phone for a few hours).
- iagovar 6y ago
  Maybe, but I don't spend money on high end phones, I don't really see the point if you are not going to play games. I have an LG G4 and honestly, don't really need more.
  - snazz 6y ago
    Are you running LineageOS on it? How are you getting security patches? I wouldn't be comfortable having the device with my most sensitive information on it running an out-of-date operating system, but maybe that's just me.
    - iagovar 6y ago
      I'm running Android, and nothing sensitive. Use it as 4g modem, maps, browsing, and communicating.
- mattwad 6y ago
  Pixel and Samsung were intended to compete with iPhone, so the cost is going to be somewhat similar. Also, these go on huge sales every year, whereas iPhone never does. If you buy these at cost, you're doing it wrong. If you're really concerned about cost, you get a new Motorola for about $200, and there's even cheaper options out there.
- RHSeeger 6y ago
  > Other Android devices, like those made by Samsung, are usually even more expensive and have fewer years of guaranteed security updates That doesn't seem accurate. I'm using a Samsung, 3.5 years old, and it works fine; was still getting security updates until April of this year, over 4 years after release.
  - snazz 6y ago
    Apparently they guarantee three years on the flagship Galaxy S/Note models and there’s no similar guarantee on any of the cheaper models. It sounds like they’ve gotten better at it with the flagships than the last time I used a Samsung (back in the S4 days).
- pbhjpbhj 6y ago
  Usually with tech the $ price is the £ price. Android phones are about £100 (sim-less) for a good lower-end model. £800 is very high end. Example, https://www.tescomobile.com/shop/pay-as-you-go/motorola/moto-e6-play https://www.tescomobile.com/shop/pay-as-you-go/motorola/moto... £90. Low end is c.£50.

snazz 6y ago

I just had a discussion with someone on Lobsters about the actual cost of a lower-end iPhone versus a similarly-priced Android phone and the iPhone appeared cheaper: > The Pixel 4 is $799 and the Pixel 3a is $399 (although it may be on sale right now depending on your region). The iPhone 11 is $699 and the iPhone SE (2nd generation) is $399. Both provide additional discounts if you trade in your current phone (and since iPhones have a lot more resale value, you can get much more for your trade-in). Google provides three years of security updates, starting from the time that the phone is released. Apple provides four or five years of security (and feature!) updates. You can get the same amount of usable life out of a brand-new Pixel as a one- or two-year-old iPhone, which puts the per-year price strongly in Apple's favor. Other Android devices, like those made by Samsung, are usually even more expensive and have fewer years of guaranteed security updates. Apple even backports extremely high-severity security patches and major bug fixes (like the GPS rollover patch) to devices that would be considered "obsolete" by Android manufacturers. So the iPhone might be a higher upfront cost, but it's a significantly lower per-year cost, especially if you get last year's model or the SE.

viraptor 6y ago
Maybe I've been really unlucky, but I haven't seen an iPhone realistically surviving more than 3 years with real usage. Buttons dying and the battery barely surviving a day was pretty common. I know there will be survivor examples out there, but without knowing the average it's hard to compare them.
- StreamBright 6y ago
  Anecdotal evidence but all of my iPhones survived 5 years.
- reaperducer 6y ago
  I have an iPhone 5 in my immediate family that is in daily use. It was bought on launch day in 2012. (I know because I stood in line for it.)
- ThePowerOfFuet 6y ago
  I'm using an iPhone 7 which is almost five years old. Apple has changed the battery once (during which I was without the phone for a few hours).
iagovar 6y ago
Maybe, but I don't spend money on high end phones, I don't really see the point if you are not going to play games. I have an LG G4 and honestly, don't really need more.
- snazz 6y ago
  Are you running LineageOS on it? How are you getting security patches? I wouldn't be comfortable having the device with my most sensitive information on it running an out-of-date operating system, but maybe that's just me.
  - iagovar 6y ago
    I'm running Android, and nothing sensitive. Use it as 4g modem, maps, browsing, and communicating.
mattwad 6y ago
Pixel and Samsung were intended to compete with iPhone, so the cost is going to be somewhat similar. Also, these go on huge sales every year, whereas iPhone never does. If you buy these at cost, you're doing it wrong. If you're really concerned about cost, you get a new Motorola for about $200, and there's even cheaper options out there.
RHSeeger 6y ago
> Other Android devices, like those made by Samsung, are usually even more expensive and have fewer years of guaranteed security updates That doesn't seem accurate. I'm using a Samsung, 3.5 years old, and it works fine; was still getting security updates until April of this year, over 4 years after release.
- snazz 6y ago
  Apparently they guarantee three years on the flagship Galaxy S/Note models and there’s no similar guarantee on any of the cheaper models. It sounds like they’ve gotten better at it with the flagships than the last time I used a Samsung (back in the S4 days).
pbhjpbhj 6y ago
Usually with tech the $ price is the £ price. Android phones are about £100 (sim-less) for a good lower-end model. £800 is very high end. Example, https://www.tescomobile.com/shop/pay-as-you-go/motorola/moto-e6-play https://www.tescomobile.com/shop/pay-as-you-go/motorola/moto... £90. Low end is c.£50.