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For reportedly being there to accelerate the web, AMP pages remain consistently slower and less reliable than the original websites for me.

omnifischer 6y ago
examples? Every site in Germany is 10 X bigger in normal browsing compared to AMP.
- ashtonkem 6y ago
  The majority of the times I open an AMP url, it loads the visible content, but I can’t scroll below the fold at all.
- pmarreck 6y ago
  Would like to add a little context to this for anyone who isn't familiar- For all the intelligence and engineering prowess of Germans, their Internet infrastructure is severely lacking. Most places I'm aware of have poor connections to begin with but also still meter every kilobyte that you download, so Germans are really far more conscious of payload sizes than most Westerners are, where internet service is just a flat fee. It's really strange when so-called "second-world" countries like Bulgaria and Romania have far better Internet than Germany
- catalogia 6y ago
  AMP might be faster if you browse the net with javascript enabled by default and with no content blockers enabled. But if you don't do those things, AMP is a clear net-negative.
  - mcv 6y ago
    Yeah, but Google doesn't want you to do that. You're here to watch ads, peon.
- Mirioron 6y ago
  The AMP site is unusable far more often than not. My phone has had a 100 Mbps connection for years, yet opening webpages is slow because I need to manually mess with the page so that I can get a working webpage. I'll take +250 ms load time over fiddling with the page for 5 seconds and then having to reload it anyway.
watwut 6y ago
With amp I basically do "find the page, edit url to remove amp, load again" dance. It is definitely not faster.
- lonelappde 6y ago
  Why edit url? For non images, the original URL is in the page content.
  - AnssiH 6y ago
    If I open a page from the Google Now feed on my phone, I get sent to an AMP page that does not have the original URL in content. Example: https://wccftech-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/wccftech.com/intels-boxed-cpu-cooler-facelift-10th-gen-comet-lake-processors/amp/?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwccftech.com%2Fintels-boxed-cpu-cooler-facelift-10th-gen-comet-lake-processors%2F https://wccftech-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/wccftech.com/int...
- coldpie 6y ago
  There's an extension for this. Works on mobile (at least until Mozilla kills extensions on their mobile app) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/amp2html/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/amp2html/
  - ojosilva 6y ago
    OMG! Why would Mozilla kill extensions on mobile (android)? It would make mobile unusable for me. In fact that's the reason I barely browse the internet on my iPad: Firefox never had add ons on iOS due to Apple restrictions. I hope that's just FUD!
    - Kaze404 6y ago
      It's more nuanced than that. Iirc they're rewriting the way extensions are handled internally on Firefox for Android, making only certain extensions available initially. Feel free to look more into it for more precise information, this is all public.
snazz 6y ago
I'm still against AMP on a conceptual ground, but it is so much faster and more reliable than traditional page loading on my phone. Pages can't have megabytes of JavaScript and huge images. It's served by Google's fast CDN instead of some far-away server.
- iagovar 6y ago
  Use firefox or brave. I solved this problem. I'm only waiting for a proper alternative to Android, I'm so tired of google and its swallow way of doing things...
  - snazz 6y ago
    I do use an adblocker on my iPhone.
  - allendoerfer 6y ago
    I have thought the same for year and finally just switched to iOS.
    - iagovar 6y ago
      Yeah, but then you have another vendor lock in, not to mention that apple products are expensive for me, I don't have an US salary.
      - snazz 6y ago
        I just had a discussion with someone on Lobsters about the actual cost of a lower-end iPhone versus a similarly-priced Android phone and the iPhone appeared cheaper: > The Pixel 4 is $799 and the Pixel 3a is $399 (although it may be on sale right now depending on your region). The iPhone 11 is $699 and the iPhone SE (2nd generation) is $399. Both provide additional discounts if you trade in your current phone (and since iPhones have a lot more resale value, you can get much more for your trade-in). Google provides three years of security updates, starting from the time that the phone is released. Apple provides four or five years of security (and feature!) updates. You can get the same amount of usable life out of a brand-new Pixel as a one- or two-year-old iPhone, which puts the per-year price strongly in Apple's favor. Other Android devices, like those made by Samsung, are usually even more expensive and have fewer years of guaranteed security updates. Apple even backports extremely high-severity security patches and major bug fixes (like the GPS rollover patch) to devices that would be considered "obsolete" by Android manufacturers. So the iPhone might be a higher upfront cost, but it's a significantly lower per-year cost, especially if you get last year's model or the SE.
Mirioron 6y ago
AMP is the number one reason for my usage of "load the desktop site" toggle on my phone.

omnifischer 6y ago

examples? Every site in Germany is 10 X bigger in normal browsing compared to AMP.

ashtonkem 6y ago
The majority of the times I open an AMP url, it loads the visible content, but I can’t scroll below the fold at all.
pmarreck 6y ago
Would like to add a little context to this for anyone who isn't familiar- For all the intelligence and engineering prowess of Germans, their Internet infrastructure is severely lacking. Most places I'm aware of have poor connections to begin with but also still meter every kilobyte that you download, so Germans are really far more conscious of payload sizes than most Westerners are, where internet service is just a flat fee. It's really strange when so-called "second-world" countries like Bulgaria and Romania have far better Internet than Germany
catalogia 6y ago
AMP might be faster if you browse the net with javascript enabled by default and with no content blockers enabled. But if you don't do those things, AMP is a clear net-negative.
- mcv 6y ago
  Yeah, but Google doesn't want you to do that. You're here to watch ads, peon.
Mirioron 6y ago
The AMP site is unusable far more often than not. My phone has had a 100 Mbps connection for years, yet opening webpages is slow because I need to manually mess with the page so that I can get a working webpage. I'll take +250 ms load time over fiddling with the page for 5 seconds and then having to reload it anyway.

watwut 6y ago

With amp I basically do "find the page, edit url to remove amp, load again" dance. It is definitely not faster.

lonelappde 6y ago
Why edit url? For non images, the original URL is in the page content.
- AnssiH 6y ago
  If I open a page from the Google Now feed on my phone, I get sent to an AMP page that does not have the original URL in content. Example: https://wccftech-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/wccftech.com/intels-boxed-cpu-cooler-facelift-10th-gen-comet-lake-processors/amp/?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwccftech.com%2Fintels-boxed-cpu-cooler-facelift-10th-gen-comet-lake-processors%2F https://wccftech-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/wccftech.com/int...
coldpie 6y ago
There's an extension for this. Works on mobile (at least until Mozilla kills extensions on their mobile app) https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/amp2html/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/amp2html/
- ojosilva 6y ago
  OMG! Why would Mozilla kill extensions on mobile (android)? It would make mobile unusable for me. In fact that's the reason I barely browse the internet on my iPad: Firefox never had add ons on iOS due to Apple restrictions. I hope that's just FUD!
  - Kaze404 6y ago
    It's more nuanced than that. Iirc they're rewriting the way extensions are handled internally on Firefox for Android, making only certain extensions available initially. Feel free to look more into it for more precise information, this is all public.

snazz 6y ago

I'm still against AMP on a conceptual ground, but it is so much faster and more reliable than traditional page loading on my phone. Pages can't have megabytes of JavaScript and huge images. It's served by Google's fast CDN instead of some far-away server.

iagovar 6y ago
Use firefox or brave. I solved this problem. I'm only waiting for a proper alternative to Android, I'm so tired of google and its swallow way of doing things...
- snazz 6y ago
  I do use an adblocker on my iPhone.
- allendoerfer 6y ago
  I have thought the same for year and finally just switched to iOS.
  - iagovar 6y ago
    Yeah, but then you have another vendor lock in, not to mention that apple products are expensive for me, I don't have an US salary.
    - snazz 6y ago
      I just had a discussion with someone on Lobsters about the actual cost of a lower-end iPhone versus a similarly-priced Android phone and the iPhone appeared cheaper: > The Pixel 4 is $799 and the Pixel 3a is $399 (although it may be on sale right now depending on your region). The iPhone 11 is $699 and the iPhone SE (2nd generation) is $399. Both provide additional discounts if you trade in your current phone (and since iPhones have a lot more resale value, you can get much more for your trade-in). Google provides three years of security updates, starting from the time that the phone is released. Apple provides four or five years of security (and feature!) updates. You can get the same amount of usable life out of a brand-new Pixel as a one- or two-year-old iPhone, which puts the per-year price strongly in Apple's favor. Other Android devices, like those made by Samsung, are usually even more expensive and have fewer years of guaranteed security updates. Apple even backports extremely high-severity security patches and major bug fixes (like the GPS rollover patch) to devices that would be considered "obsolete" by Android manufacturers. So the iPhone might be a higher upfront cost, but it's a significantly lower per-year cost, especially if you get last year's model or the SE.

Mirioron 6y ago

AMP is the number one reason for my usage of "load the desktop site" toggle on my phone.