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The internment camps are still in living memory fwiw. I don’t know if it’s whataboutism so much as recognizing that China is back to business and the US really

by nxc18 6y ago

The internment camps are still in living memory fwiw. I don’t know if it’s whataboutism so much as recognizing that China is back to business and the US really isn’t, China published the genetic sequence and made substantial contributions to fighting the disease while the CDC was busy producing faulty test kits, and the US has been systematically undermining the global health system while trying to put blame on the WHO (actively forfeiting our influence there). I don’t think it makes sense to shit on China for doing a better job than the US at taking care of it’s people (except minorities, but the US isn’t exactly a model there either). Just to clarify, I’m not about excuses, but I can’t support hysterically pointing fingers when we aren’t even attempting to get our own house in order.

jimmaswell 6y ago
> better job than the US at taking care of it’s people (except minorities, but the US isn’t exactly a model there either). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protes... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests... What is America doing to minorities that tops all of this?
- nxc18 6y ago
  * 30+ years ago, but ok. I’ll raise you slaughtering college kids protesting Vietnam. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings * China releases their own report. http://download.xinhuanet.com/english/Human%20Rights%20Record%20of%20the%20United%20States%20in%202018.doc http://download.xinhuanet.com/english/Human%20Rights%20Recor... (Note: I don’t actually think China is better than the US overall, they are far worse, I just don’t like the implication that they differences are of kind, rather than degree) * organ harvesting is clearly bad, but it’s hard to argue it’s worse than plain murder given lives are saved in the process. The Chinese report on US human rights helps answer your last question.
- myopenid 6y ago
  Roping China into this is akin to saying "America kills high school students for fun" for what a few psychos did.
  - orwin 6y ago
    Disagree, this is a systemic issue in China. it started in the 90s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go... and even if it's not state-sanctionned anymore, the triads lead human organ harvesting in SE Asia and at least take part of the trade in India and east Africa. The same way the human sex trafficking is a real issue in China. The eastern european bride cliché that do happen sometime in europe (and in the US too apparently) is way more pervasive in china, as even middle class people takes on foreign involuntary brides as the gender imbalance among sexually active people grows (and it is still growing).
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by nxc18 6y ago

jimmaswell 6y ago

> better job than the US at taking care of it’s people (except minorities, but the US isn’t exactly a model there either). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protes... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests... What is America doing to minorities that tops all of this?

nxc18 6y ago
* 30+ years ago, but ok. I’ll raise you slaughtering college kids protesting Vietnam. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings * China releases their own report. http://download.xinhuanet.com/english/Human%20Rights%20Record%20of%20the%20United%20States%20in%202018.doc http://download.xinhuanet.com/english/Human%20Rights%20Recor... (Note: I don’t actually think China is better than the US overall, they are far worse, I just don’t like the implication that they differences are of kind, rather than degree) * organ harvesting is clearly bad, but it’s hard to argue it’s worse than plain murder given lives are saved in the process. The Chinese report on US human rights helps answer your last question.
myopenid 6y ago
Roping China into this is akin to saying "America kills high school students for fun" for what a few psychos did.
- orwin 6y ago
  Disagree, this is a systemic issue in China. it started in the 90s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Gong_practitioners_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_harvesting_from_Falun_Go... and even if it's not state-sanctionned anymore, the triads lead human organ harvesting in SE Asia and at least take part of the trade in India and east Africa. The same way the human sex trafficking is a real issue in China. The eastern european bride cliché that do happen sometime in europe (and in the US too apparently) is way more pervasive in china, as even middle class people takes on foreign involuntary brides as the gender imbalance among sexually active people grows (and it is still growing).
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