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Is that true? I mean, you can also argue it's only ever an issue in the first place if you have enough clout to be targeted. And I haven't seen any proof that p

Is that true? I mean, you can also argue it's only ever an issue in the first place if you have enough clout to be targeted. And I haven't seen any proof that people "without clout" aren't able to get it resolved, have you? Even this person isn't exactly a YouTube heavy-hitter, it's a relatively niche channel.

the_af 6y ago
I don't know about YouTube, but I know for a fact some kinds of bans on Facebook can only be reversed if you have a friend inside Facebook that advocates for you and contacts the relevant team. Source: I know because I have such a friend, and only going through him and not through the official appeal channels got stuff unbanned (not mine: I was in turn advocating for friends. Not that it matters). The official channels are often so slow and ineffective -- and often inscrutable -- as to be useless.
- rrmm 6y ago
  It's happened multiple times on hn (given the large number of google peoples milling about).
- artificial 6y ago
  FB channels are slow even if you're giving them millions of dollars in ad spend.
- burnte 6y ago
  I had a customer two years ago that we needed to rename her professional page from "Person's Name Service" to "Person's Name". That's all, we didn't change the named person, or the content of the page, just removed the service because she did more than that now. I got denied THREE times by bots claiming the change was too severe and changing the "topic" of the page, which would be potentially confusing to users, or worse, akin to changing the page to something they wouldn't otherwise support ("Local Girl Scout Troupe 4" suddenly becomes "Fans of the KKK"). I had to contact someone I know at FB to get a human to review the change. My friend and the reviewer felt the change was completely legit and allowed it. What do you do when you don't have someone on the inside?
elicash 6y ago
I think there's an extent where "clout" (depending on how you define that) makes sense. Let's take Joe Rogan as an example, ignoring for now that he's going to Spotify next year. I'd imagine that what happened to this small YouTuber would be impossible to happen to Joe Rogan. He likely has the cell phone number of several people at YouTube. It could even be the case that his account is flagged in a way that only a high-level staffer can take certain actions. So many people are watching him that it'd be a huge problem for YouTube's audience if something were to happen to his channel in error. It's good service to the YouTube community to give the most popular folks outsized attention. Not even talking PR here, though I'm sure that's just as powerful a force. Just in terms of "how quickly would the audience be affected." Obviously, there are limits to this and it would seriously hurt YouTube's brand if they were known as being bad for small creators.

the_af 6y ago

I don't know about YouTube, but I know for a fact some kinds of bans on Facebook can only be reversed if you have a friend inside Facebook that advocates for you and contacts the relevant team. Source: I know because I have such a friend, and only going through him and not through the official appeal channels got stuff unbanned (not mine: I was in turn advocating for friends. Not that it matters). The official channels are often so slow and ineffective -- and often inscrutable -- as to be useless.

rrmm 6y ago
It's happened multiple times on hn (given the large number of google peoples milling about).
artificial 6y ago
FB channels are slow even if you're giving them millions of dollars in ad spend.
burnte 6y ago
I had a customer two years ago that we needed to rename her professional page from "Person's Name Service" to "Person's Name". That's all, we didn't change the named person, or the content of the page, just removed the service because she did more than that now. I got denied THREE times by bots claiming the change was too severe and changing the "topic" of the page, which would be potentially confusing to users, or worse, akin to changing the page to something they wouldn't otherwise support ("Local Girl Scout Troupe 4" suddenly becomes "Fans of the KKK"). I had to contact someone I know at FB to get a human to review the change. My friend and the reviewer felt the change was completely legit and allowed it. What do you do when you don't have someone on the inside?

elicash 6y ago

I think there's an extent where "clout" (depending on how you define that) makes sense. Let's take Joe Rogan as an example, ignoring for now that he's going to Spotify next year. I'd imagine that what happened to this small YouTuber would be impossible to happen to Joe Rogan. He likely has the cell phone number of several people at YouTube. It could even be the case that his account is flagged in a way that only a high-level staffer can take certain actions. So many people are watching him that it'd be a huge problem for YouTube's audience if something were to happen to his channel in error. It's good service to the YouTube community to give the most popular folks outsized attention. Not even talking PR here, though I'm sure that's just as powerful a force. Just in terms of "how quickly would the audience be affected." Obviously, there are limits to this and it would seriously hurt YouTube's brand if they were known as being bad for small creators.