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Dealing with Azure causes me physical pain. AWS you can poke around and figure it out, Azure is a Kafkaesque nightmare of infinitely confusing UI/UX, a permiss

Dealing with Azure causes me physical pain. AWS you can poke around and figure it out, Azure is a Kafkaesque nightmare of infinitely confusing UI/UX, a permission system that is like trying to hit a moving target in a dark room, being moved by someone that hates you, doing anything seems needlessly complex, and trying to replicate/test anything locally is horrible (looking at you Azure functions).

doorstar 6y ago
My sibling... I'm trapped in this mess because the nature of our Client is that they'd consider anything besides Azure as a slap in the face, but it's been absolutely the most miserable task I've taken on in years. As a bonus I'm getting side-eyed by teammates who have a naive faith in The Cloud and can't comprehend why this is taking so long and why I can't just give them a cost estimate.
- qchris 6y ago
  As an aside, unless I'm reading this very wrong, this is the first time I've seen the use of "my sibling" as a gender-neutral replacement of "my brother/sister" to express empathy. I'm delighted by it.
lucianf 6y ago
Semi-shameless plug (I work for Oracle) but have you tried OCI? You might find both the console UI/UX and the cloud calculator pretty decent. That's just my personal feel, coming over to work as an Oracle cloud consultant with previous AWS/Azure experience. I'd argue it's normal those two are where they are; AWS is now a spaghetti of products, while Microsoft are anti-KISS by DNA.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Yes people who want to avoid lock in really want to get in bed with “call us for pricing” Oracle.
  - lucianf 6y ago
    Point taken. Every time Oracle is mentioned it's in the context of horror licensing stories. I get that - but would it make a difference if I said OCI is actually different? Take this with as much salt as you want but they're really trying to put that in the past. OCI pricing is super transparent, simple metrics, cheaper than the incumbents on every front, there's no "call us for pricing", there's a transparent 30% discount for committed spending (before you even get to talk to a salesperson) and the dev team has been given free reign to act like a startup and ignore the corporate machine. I'm not a marketing person but I do believe we have a very good offering and it's a shame it's being ignored solely because of bad blood.
    - lucianf 6y ago
      Another point re $$$'s. Predictable, low pricing is actually a key Oracle cloud selling point. Following the recent wins with Zoom and 8x8 we've put up a comparison sheet [1] and a workload estimator [2]. Then there's the general cost estimator [3]. No hidden costs, and no calling required. [1] https://www.oracle.com/cloud/economics/ https://www.oracle.com/cloud/economics/ [2] https://www.oracle.com/webfolder/workload-estimator/index.html https://www.oracle.com/webfolder/workload-estimator/index.ht... [3] https://www.oracle.com/cloud/cost-estimator.html https://www.oracle.com/cloud/cost-estimator.html
    - nikau 6y ago
      Not a shame. You have a company that charges licenses based on the physical core count even if you run the product in a VM using only a single core, but then they also want to be your cloud supplier. The only strong point of Oracle is legacy product lock in, you would be crazy to pick them for any new initiatives.
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  - takeda 6y ago
    If the objective is to not get locked in public cloud isn't the best thing to do
- FridgeSeal 6y ago
  AWS might be a spaghetti of products, but they get out of my way and they’re straightforward enough to use/ignore; and that’s pretty much what I want. Honestly, I wouldn’t touch something from Oracle with a 10 foot pole, sorry. I’m sure the UX is probably pretty good, but I’m staying away from that company if I can avoid it-too many horror stories, way too “enterprise”.

doorstar 6y ago

My sibling... I'm trapped in this mess because the nature of our Client is that they'd consider anything besides Azure as a slap in the face, but it's been absolutely the most miserable task I've taken on in years. As a bonus I'm getting side-eyed by teammates who have a naive faith in The Cloud and can't comprehend why this is taking so long and why I can't just give them a cost estimate.

qchris 6y ago
As an aside, unless I'm reading this very wrong, this is the first time I've seen the use of "my sibling" as a gender-neutral replacement of "my brother/sister" to express empathy. I'm delighted by it.

lucianf 6y ago

Semi-shameless plug (I work for Oracle) but have you tried OCI? You might find both the console UI/UX and the cloud calculator pretty decent. That's just my personal feel, coming over to work as an Oracle cloud consultant with previous AWS/Azure experience. I'd argue it's normal those two are where they are; AWS is now a spaghetti of products, while Microsoft are anti-KISS by DNA.

scarface74 6y ago
Yes people who want to avoid lock in really want to get in bed with “call us for pricing” Oracle.
- lucianf 6y ago
  Point taken. Every time Oracle is mentioned it's in the context of horror licensing stories. I get that - but would it make a difference if I said OCI is actually different? Take this with as much salt as you want but they're really trying to put that in the past. OCI pricing is super transparent, simple metrics, cheaper than the incumbents on every front, there's no "call us for pricing", there's a transparent 30% discount for committed spending (before you even get to talk to a salesperson) and the dev team has been given free reign to act like a startup and ignore the corporate machine. I'm not a marketing person but I do believe we have a very good offering and it's a shame it's being ignored solely because of bad blood.
  - lucianf 6y ago
    Another point re $$$'s. Predictable, low pricing is actually a key Oracle cloud selling point. Following the recent wins with Zoom and 8x8 we've put up a comparison sheet [1] and a workload estimator [2]. Then there's the general cost estimator [3]. No hidden costs, and no calling required. [1] https://www.oracle.com/cloud/economics/ https://www.oracle.com/cloud/economics/ [2] https://www.oracle.com/webfolder/workload-estimator/index.html https://www.oracle.com/webfolder/workload-estimator/index.ht... [3] https://www.oracle.com/cloud/cost-estimator.html https://www.oracle.com/cloud/cost-estimator.html
  - nikau 6y ago
    Not a shame. You have a company that charges licenses based on the physical core count even if you run the product in a VM using only a single core, but then they also want to be your cloud supplier. The only strong point of Oracle is legacy product lock in, you would be crazy to pick them for any new initiatives.
- deleted 6y ago
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- takeda 6y ago
  If the objective is to not get locked in public cloud isn't the best thing to do
FridgeSeal 6y ago
AWS might be a spaghetti of products, but they get out of my way and they’re straightforward enough to use/ignore; and that’s pretty much what I want. Honestly, I wouldn’t touch something from Oracle with a 10 foot pole, sorry. I’m sure the UX is probably pretty good, but I’m staying away from that company if I can avoid it-too many horror stories, way too “enterprise”.