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A No. 1 hit vanished from Poland’s charts – it’s not going quietly
- amelius 6y agoPaywall :(
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- gpm 6y agoUse ublock origin to disable js on nytimes.com
- rickdeveloper 6y agoSee this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23302855 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23302855.
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- rocky1138 6y agoFor any paywalled site on HN, click on the "web" link directly below the title.
- rickdeveloper 6y agoHere's an open version: http://archive.vn/JIE5T http://archive.vn/JIE5T .
- nathell 6y agoThis was the weekly chart #1998. This thing has been running continuously for 38 years. It's iconic over here. The present fsckup is hilarious to the point of being unbelievable. I bit the bullet and temporarily tuned my radio to something unrelated. There's a crowdfunded alternative, though, picking up steam: Nowy Świat, #1 on patronite.pl (Polish lookalike of Patreon) with 630KPLN/mo pledged already, due to start airing in June. Their staff is composed mostly of Trójka's exiles.
- ohB9iof7 6y agoFor anyone wondering, here is the fast answer: it's about $152k a month.
- xendo 6y agohow many Rogans is that?
- prostheticvamp 6y ago18 microRogans.
- hawski 6y agoAnd you have to remember that life is cheaper in Poland and earnings are lower accordingly. If https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.jsp https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_by_country.js... is to be belived it could be thought as $270k for USA average and around $346k for San Francisco. But salaries are lower then that. With data from Wikipedia for Gross Average Wage the sum goes to around $646k. Also I believe Polish artists will earn much less than their American counterparts.
- avn2109 6y agoFWIW I'm an American living in Poland since 2 years ago, though I'm participating only as a spectator and I don't have a political horse in this race. This whole saga seems like a bit of a tempest in a teapot from where I sit. As of a few days ago, a certain minority political faction is suddenly very interested in high-sounding principles and will talk your ear off about freedom of speech and young-threatened-Democracy with a capital-D etc. Probably there is a lot of this downthread. Without making any claims about this issue itself, I will observe three interesting metacharacteristics of the situation: 0) This same suddenly-principled faction has a long record of happily supporting soft-and-hard censorship whenever it suits their politics and gleefully condemning other people's speech if they don't like it. A nonzero fraction (but of course not all) of the condemnation here comes from the literal Polish Communist Party (and their modern, slightly-rebranded allies), aka the same people who brought us 50 years of totalitarian oppression and censorship-enforced-by-secret-police-abductions. This strikes me as pretty rich. 1) Most ordinary Polish people know about this topic, but many don't find it anywhere near as scandalous as this breathless NYT article would have you believe. As far as I can tell this is not high on the list of pressing political issues for many regular people (despite a domestic Polish and foreign media blitz to the contrary). 2) State media is widely regarded as a running joke, known for its comically-hokey stories such as "Polish citizenry rejoices as Potassium exports rise 12%" (made up example but catches the tone). There are literally a small handful of state-funded radio and TV stations and arguably a semiaffiliated newspaper or two, in varying states of cheesiness. Meanwhile there are gallons and gallons of antigovernment media, most of which is overwhelmingly more competent than the allegedly State-controlled media, with super-slick hollywood production values and content which is precision-engineered to be engaging. In light of this disparity I find claims about "all encompassing State propaganda mind control" to be rather dubious.
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- btbuildem 6y agoKurwa jebana ich mać, Niedźwiecki resigned??
- ur-whale 6y agoThe controversial song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9LzNtpjhV0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9LzNtpjhV0
- swimfar 6y agoHere's a version with English subtitles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGdLtVt8AUM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGdLtVt8AUM
- a4wtaw4tawtawt 6y agoLmao!
- dpc_pw 6y agoHello fellow Poles! What's the deal with that song anyway. https://youtu.be/o9LzNtpjhV0 https://youtu.be/o9LzNtpjhV0 is this the song?
- ecce_homo 6y agoYes, this is that song. Everything in polish media now is political discussion and/or fight about presidential elections (it's postponed due to covid19 crisis), and I consider this as part of this fight. Personally I think it is nothing to lose mind about.
- dpc_pw 6y agoI don't understand the references in that song, but doesn't seem like anything unexpected from the artist. Almost all his songs are a criticism of all political parties and governments and the social pathology. It's weird that would go to the top - my guess would be some coordinated political astro-turfing action.
- Bishonen88 6y agoThe song refers to the events of this years April 10th. Amid the corona crisis and restrictions, the 'Powąskowskie cemetery' was closed. It seems it was closed to the general public only, as PiS' leader, Jaroslaw K. allegedly received a personal permit to enter it and pray. He was therefore perhaps the only person entering the graveyard on that day. In this context, "Your pain is greater than mine" simply refers to the common citizen vs Jaroslaw. One can't go to see the grave's of his family/friends etc., whilst the other can.
- dpc_pw 6y agoOh. I see. Thanks! Seems like a petty symbolic favoritism, very much like what I would expect. Good for Kazik for pointing it out.
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- nathell 6y agoOf interest to the HN populace may be how Trójka’s website started to throw HTTP 500s shortly after the song was aired. Here's how: https://scontent-waw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65/97996661_3002459633124668_8717350358818488320_o.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_sid=8024bb&efg=eyJpIjoidCJ9&_nc_ohc=IlP0AOfzTWsAX93txwM&_nc_ht=scontent-waw1-1.xx&_nc_tp=14&oh=6f642e1eed0f7607d5d0e3df8f689eb8&oe=5EF0166E https://scontent-waw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65...
- abbadadda 6y agoHello Streisand Effect! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect
- Toyentrepreneur 6y agoA similar situation is going on in the US. Right now the most popular rapper (measured by streams)is Tekashi 6ix9ine, a controversial artist who raised concerns recently over being cheated out of the #1 Billboard Hot 100 spot. It broke the record for most youtube views in a day (43.5 million) and also fastest to reach 100 million (71 Hours). It also hasn't received ONE radio spin, for comparison every song above it has at least 20 million. It also has been banned from every major Spotify playlist. After questioning the credibility of the Hot 100 ranking methodologies multiple top artists have come to Billboards defense (Ariana Grande, Justin Bieber, etc.) even causing billboard itself to release a statement. It's resulting in a Streisand effect of people wanting to see what's this song/artist that the institutions are trying so hard to suppress from the public.
- axaxs 6y agoGiven his history, character, and song content, I can only think it's for the best. If I owned a service, I wouldn't touch his stuff with a 50 ft pole. I think it's in a good spot... it's not outright banned, and people can find it if they want, but kudos to major services for not putting him on a pedestal.
- casefields 6y agoIf we go down that path how many famous rockstars were banging underage teens as well? Lots.
- paulryanrogers 6y agoAnd as the allegations are substantiated (such as in court) then they too should be shunned.
- catalogia 6y agoDidn't he also plead guilty to conspiracy to commit murder and armed robbery, among other things? That's what wikipedia says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_the_Nine_Trey_Gangsters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_the_Nine_Trey_Gangste...
- etrabroline 6y agoIt always rubs me the wrong way when US media criticizes other countries as if the same things don't happen in the US. Why was Phil Donahue fired? https://www.huffpost.com/entry/phil-donahue-chris-matthews-msnbc-firing_n_2926643 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/phil-donahue-chris-matthews-m... What about Peter Arnett? https://www.foxnews.com/story/nbc-severs-ties-with-journalist-peter-arnett https://www.foxnews.com/story/nbc-severs-ties-with-journalis... But I guess the Americans have 'private' media where 'market forces' prevent criticism of US government policy.
- novok 6y agoWhataboutist arguments do not invalidate an article about something and do not show a form of hypocrisy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism One can be critical of behavior in one country and also not like the behavior of a country you also happen to reside. The linker is not the NY Times :) Edit: And you don't have to profess the dislike of similar behavior in the same article
- m463 6y agoHowever since this is a NYT article, the NYT bestseller list may be relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Bestseller_List https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Times_Bestseller_List In particular the first paragraph under Controversies
- 9935c101ab17a66 6y agoWhy? This source indicates that they never pretended that it was truly a literal representation of the number of books that were actually sold (https://books.google.ca/books?id=PEZkkbohbtoC&pg=PA290&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false https://books.google.ca/books?id=PEZkkbohbtoC&pg=PA290&redir...). And while you can argue they should reveal their methods, it's not disingenuous because it would be simply impossible to have an exact number of copies a book sold.
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- wolco 6y agoThe ones who stayed. Does their protests ring hollow?
- tener 6y agoWhile I believe that there was no dishonest effort to manipulate the charts it is worth noting that the vote counts are both hidden from general population and adjusted by hand to remove "fraudulent votes". This can easily move songs within top 10. This lack of transparency does not help. That being said this kind of reaction is unprecedented.
- mamon 6y agoExactly, and it was also suggested that for years the show producer would take bribes from artists for placing them at the top of the list. The song in question here actually ended up in the fourth place, was placed on 1st deliberately - it was kind of a political statement by the show producer.
- seba_dos1 6y agoThe official explanations by directors on what happened were drastically changing a few times - each time right after a lie in previous one was brutally exposed. The accusations about bribing also appeared out of nowhere in a very suspicious manner, right at the very convenient time, and quickly disappeared when it became apparent that people in general actually trust the hosts. It was no secret that they do filter suspicious votes manually and it was publicly discussed in various interviews many years ago. There's also a huge community of list geeks who have archived and analyzed the results since the beginning of the list in 80s, and thanks to them it was trivial to expose obvious lies around this topic (it certainly didn't help that the directors and people in pro-gov media clearly didn't have any idea on how the list even worked for past 30 years). The 4th position comes from counting all the fraudulent votes in, something that has been confirmed by the Polish Radio itself and which is clearly visible because of unnatural moves of lots of other songs relative to previous week's chart. One really has to be naive to believe in what you posted. Really.
- p_l 6y agoThe show producer selects what songs are available for voting. As for the "bribery"... well, they found a no-name wedding singer of dubious reputation claiming that. Unless one is firmy behind the party, pretty much haven't heard anyone believing that line. It's why they switched to classic "he was State Security informant" or "we're removing (post-)commies" (remember, in PiS newspeak "post-communist" covers "anyone who is against PiS" and is supposed to imply that they are actually communist. Fuck logic.)
- Tade0 6y agoThere's a small, but growing movement in Poland named "the eight star movement"(obvious reference to the five star movement) - written like so: ***** *** and pronounced in bleeps. One would be forgiven for thinking that the expression "kurwa mać" both fits the pattern and the current situation. We'll see how this year's presidential elections, which should be held... eventually(?) will go. Let's hope we can bring some balance to the political scene in Poland.
- WhyNott 6y agoActually, you are wrong (or maybe you just haven't made it clear, so I'll spell it out here). * * is not intended to stand for "kurwa mać", it stands for "jebać pis". Its a reference to a political comic strip from ages ago; it only picked up steam recently.
- 5etho 6y agois this a general thread about Poland now? anyone here interested in forking hnews to polish language?