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Most isolated people on the left still believe Trump was referring to nazi's/white nationalists as "good people" when he made that "good people on both sides" c

Most isolated people on the left still believe Trump was referring to nazi's/white nationalists as "good people" when he made that "good people on both sides" comment. If they would just step out of their bubble for one moment they would realize they've been lied to. NYT articles like this are IMO designed to keep people from wanting to leave the bubble.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
That aspect I care much less about. Believing the worst about politicians you don't like isn't political correctness, just... politics.
myko 6y ago
No, folks on the left were pointing out, correctly, that calling folks who willingly marched with nazis who were chanting "blood and soil" good people was a serious dog whistle to rightwing extremism.
- RandomTisk 6y ago
  Except he didn't. He specifically condemned them. Some journalist took part of his statement, cut off the rest and riled up a bunch of people over a false narrative. I still see someone in the media who should know better by now repeat this lie on occasion.
  - myko 6y ago
    Saying you condemn the nazis while absolving the folks who marched with them _is_ a dog whistle to rightwing extremism. That's the entire point. If they were good people they would've called the nazis out and kicked them out of their march, or refused to march with them. Instead they marched with the nazis.
    - hanifc 6y ago
      It's pretty surreal to have just finished reading the blog post[1] on this topic, that was posted just a little bit higher, then to come here and see it played out. [1]https://www.scottadamssays.com/2019/04/30/the-fine-people-hoax-funnel/ https://www.scottadamssays.com/2019/04/30/the-fine-people-ho...
      - myko 6y ago
        > He stated his assumption and then spoke to the assumption. This is a pathetic attempt to absolve trump of his clear racism and dog whistles to extremists. If he assumes wrongly it's okay to say whatever he wants? That points even more directly to a dog whistle. Shame on whoever wrote that as a defense. Joining up with a bunch of white nationalists to march in support of a statue of a man who is famous for waging a traitorous war against the United States in support of the institution of slavery doesn't make one a "very fine person", indeed quite the opposite. While you may not believe trump is a racist sending dog whistle after dog whistle to white nationalists those white nationalists seem to think so: https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/12/politics/white-supremacists-cheer-midterms-trump/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/12/politics/white-supremacists-c...
- champagneben 6y ago
  Do these folks on the left feel the same way about marching with anti-semites? I didn't hear much about that on the left.
  - myko 6y ago
    False equivalence - the blood and soil folks were marching and chanting explicit nazi phrases and pushing nazi ideas, there were no "good people" in that crowd - the point of the march was to push that agenda. You're referring, I think, to the folks in the Women's March who joined the march but had a past of making anti-semitic comments. Those people did not show themselves to be anti-semites during the march, so the folks marching with them would not have known to disengage or call them out at the time (though they were widely called out afterwards, if you care to look into it). Contrast this with the folks trump called good people - the entire point of that march was to push nazi rhetoric, and the folks who joined them knew that, even if they don't self identify as nazis. See the difference?
scarface74 6y ago
Thought Experiment #1: What would happen if you said some of things at work that Trump has said on Twitter in front of someone in HR. What do you think would happen? Thought Experiment #2: If you were a manager and your team was as a chaotic, unqualified, and had the turnover that the WH has, what do you think would happen?
pas 6y ago
"You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group …". Do you mean this quote? He meant the silent white supremacists, who protested quietly (with long guns, and who afterwards were pretty proud of themselves that they haven't mowed people down despite having been hit by bricks). There's a 207 page long review assembled by a commission about the events, and it found no peaceful pro-statue protesters.
- jimmydddd 6y ago
  Sort of, but not exactly. I think he meant this. https://www.scottadamssays.com/2019/04/30/the-fine-people-hoax-funnel/ https://www.scottadamssays.com/2019/04/30/the-fine-people-ho...

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago

That aspect I care much less about. Believing the worst about politicians you don't like isn't political correctness, just... politics.

myko 6y ago

No, folks on the left were pointing out, correctly, that calling folks who willingly marched with nazis who were chanting "blood and soil" good people was a serious dog whistle to rightwing extremism.

RandomTisk 6y ago
Except he didn't. He specifically condemned them. Some journalist took part of his statement, cut off the rest and riled up a bunch of people over a false narrative. I still see someone in the media who should know better by now repeat this lie on occasion.
- myko 6y ago
  Saying you condemn the nazis while absolving the folks who marched with them _is_ a dog whistle to rightwing extremism. That's the entire point. If they were good people they would've called the nazis out and kicked them out of their march, or refused to march with them. Instead they marched with the nazis.
  - hanifc 6y ago
    It's pretty surreal to have just finished reading the blog post[1] on this topic, that was posted just a little bit higher, then to come here and see it played out. [1]https://www.scottadamssays.com/2019/04/30/the-fine-people-hoax-funnel/ https://www.scottadamssays.com/2019/04/30/the-fine-people-ho...
    - myko 6y ago
      > He stated his assumption and then spoke to the assumption. This is a pathetic attempt to absolve trump of his clear racism and dog whistles to extremists. If he assumes wrongly it's okay to say whatever he wants? That points even more directly to a dog whistle. Shame on whoever wrote that as a defense. Joining up with a bunch of white nationalists to march in support of a statue of a man who is famous for waging a traitorous war against the United States in support of the institution of slavery doesn't make one a "very fine person", indeed quite the opposite. While you may not believe trump is a racist sending dog whistle after dog whistle to white nationalists those white nationalists seem to think so: https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/12/politics/white-supremacists-cheer-midterms-trump/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/12/politics/white-supremacists-c...
champagneben 6y ago
Do these folks on the left feel the same way about marching with anti-semites? I didn't hear much about that on the left.
- myko 6y ago
  False equivalence - the blood and soil folks were marching and chanting explicit nazi phrases and pushing nazi ideas, there were no "good people" in that crowd - the point of the march was to push that agenda. You're referring, I think, to the folks in the Women's March who joined the march but had a past of making anti-semitic comments. Those people did not show themselves to be anti-semites during the march, so the folks marching with them would not have known to disengage or call them out at the time (though they were widely called out afterwards, if you care to look into it). Contrast this with the folks trump called good people - the entire point of that march was to push nazi rhetoric, and the folks who joined them knew that, even if they don't self identify as nazis. See the difference?

scarface74 6y ago

Thought Experiment #1: What would happen if you said some of things at work that Trump has said on Twitter in front of someone in HR. What do you think would happen? Thought Experiment #2: If you were a manager and your team was as a chaotic, unqualified, and had the turnover that the WH has, what do you think would happen?

pas 6y ago

"You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group …". Do you mean this quote? He meant the silent white supremacists, who protested quietly (with long guns, and who afterwards were pretty proud of themselves that they haven't mowed people down despite having been hit by bricks). There's a 207 page long review assembled by a commission about the events, and it found no peaceful pro-statue protesters.

jimmydddd 6y ago
Sort of, but not exactly. I think he meant this. https://www.scottadamssays.com/2019/04/30/the-fine-people-hoax-funnel/ https://www.scottadamssays.com/2019/04/30/the-fine-people-ho...