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Sorry, but do americans really hurt by H1-B/L-1? I never heard about lack of need for tech people anywhere in the world. Isn't world's universities produce like

by ex3ndr 6y ago

Sorry, but do americans really hurt by H1-B/L-1? I never heard about lack of need for tech people anywhere in the world. Isn't world's universities produce like 3% of required amount of tech people needed? (Other points are valid though)

makoz 6y ago
Here's an example where Disney replaced their IT workers with people on H1B https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/last-task-after-layoff-at-disney-train-foreign-replacements.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/last-task-after-layoff...
- throwaway2678 6y ago
  Not to be insensitive to the people who lost their jobs at Disney, but "train" their replacement claim is a stretch (most likely were being to do Knowledge Transfer of the system/job function, but sorry to say won't quality as training their replacements). If anything, any restrictions on H1B force jobs to move out of the country rather than resulting in more "American workers" getting hired. With COVID forced WFH transition with no loss of productivity - even medium-size companies without prior experience in offshore employers are now willing to consider remote tech staff (anecdotal), and will be happy to pay 25%. Unless a very protectionist tax regime accompanies this legislation hard to see this going any other way. Full disclosure: I am on H1B, and am partial to the visa that helped me build my life and career in the US. Now its a real possibility that I, my ineligible to work spouse and my three "very much American" children will have to leave this country due to these attempts by law-makers to find a bogeyman to target their frustration against.
- anonymousiam 6y ago
  Edison did the same thing several years ago.
burnte 6y ago
Yes. I’ve seen it personally. You can see the ridiculous ads all the time. It really is a problem, and frankly it hurts immigrants too, they become wage slaves with the threat of the visa being revoked.
- ex3ndr 6y ago
  So, they can't find another job? You can be fired the same way and replaced with army of junior developers too.
- davidw 6y ago
  So give them more freedom to move around so that companies will bid up the wages of people who are worth it, to levels comparable to those of people who wisely chose to be born in the US.
  - ma2rten 6y ago
    H1-Bs can already moved between companies quite easily in the current system. EDIT: I don't know why on earth I'm being downvoted. I'm speaking from first-hand experience as I have moved from one company to another on H1B and I know other people who did.

by ex3ndr 6y ago

makoz 6y ago

Here's an example where Disney replaced their IT workers with people on H1B https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/last-task-after-layoff-at-disney-train-foreign-replacements.html https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/us/last-task-after-layoff...

throwaway2678 6y ago
Not to be insensitive to the people who lost their jobs at Disney, but "train" their replacement claim is a stretch (most likely were being to do Knowledge Transfer of the system/job function, but sorry to say won't quality as training their replacements). If anything, any restrictions on H1B force jobs to move out of the country rather than resulting in more "American workers" getting hired. With COVID forced WFH transition with no loss of productivity - even medium-size companies without prior experience in offshore employers are now willing to consider remote tech staff (anecdotal), and will be happy to pay 25%. Unless a very protectionist tax regime accompanies this legislation hard to see this going any other way. Full disclosure: I am on H1B, and am partial to the visa that helped me build my life and career in the US. Now its a real possibility that I, my ineligible to work spouse and my three "very much American" children will have to leave this country due to these attempts by law-makers to find a bogeyman to target their frustration against.
anonymousiam 6y ago
Edison did the same thing several years ago.

burnte 6y ago

Yes. I’ve seen it personally. You can see the ridiculous ads all the time. It really is a problem, and frankly it hurts immigrants too, they become wage slaves with the threat of the visa being revoked.

ex3ndr 6y ago
So, they can't find another job? You can be fired the same way and replaced with army of junior developers too.
davidw 6y ago
So give them more freedom to move around so that companies will bid up the wages of people who are worth it, to levels comparable to those of people who wisely chose to be born in the US.
- ma2rten 6y ago
  H1-Bs can already moved between companies quite easily in the current system. EDIT: I don't know why on earth I'm being downvoted. I'm speaking from first-hand experience as I have moved from one company to another on H1B and I know other people who did.