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The Hydra will just grow more heads. Hasn't the MPA figured this out yet?

Polylactic_acid 6y ago
The most puzzling thing is they already beat piracy with netflix but now they are trying to kill the convenience by splitting content over 20 platforms causing piracy to come back.
- gpm 6y ago
  Beating piracy isn't the goal, maximizing profit is. Netflix was giving the industry what... 10 dollars per family? They think they can get more than that by splitting into 20 different platforms. They're probably right.
  - save_ferris 6y ago
    This is spot on, given the fact that the average US household cable bill was pretty outrageous to begin with.
    - syshum 6y ago
      Sadly I know people with a outrageous cable bill (hundreds of dollars per month) AND subscribe to 3 or more streaming services...
- save_ferris 6y ago
  They definitely didn’t beat piracy with Netflix, I’m not even sure they slowed it down much. Netflix in 2020 is an entirely different service than it was in 2011 back when their library was full of major titles. The reality is that the owners of content want their own distribution platforms, maybe because they saw what Apple did to the music industry via iTunes, but I’m not sure.
  - chii 6y ago
    > Netflix in 2020 is an entirely different service than it was in 2011 so the content creation companies shot themselves in the foot by pulling their content to try to own the distribution platform (because it would theoretically give 'em more profits vs sharing it with netflix). But consumers saw value in netflix because the large library of content to be had for around $10 price point - this beats piracy of $0 for unlimited content. Now, for the same level of content as before, you'd have to pay for a half-dozen or so subscription services - likely adding up to 60-90 dollars per month. Piracy is starting to look good again for most people.
    - save_ferris 6y ago
      > so the content creation companies shot themselves in the foot Analysts speculate that the market for streaming services will saturate eventually, but I’m not sure we’ve seen it yet. Disney’s stock is the only one I can see that doesn’t have a YTD gain, but that particular decline follows the the global market trends and Disney faces hard times with their parks these days. Bottom line is that these new platforms don’t seem to be hurting that much. Large content owners saw the writing on the wall when they were negotiating their contracts with Netflix by adding termination clauses once Netflix viewership reached a certain point. The consumers are really the only ones hurting at the moment IMO.
  - Polylactic_acid 6y ago
    Music streaming services have almost completely killed music piracy. It only exists today as a way for serious torrenting enthusiasts to get lossless or obscure albums
- waheoo 6y ago
  Beat piracy? Lol. Netflix is a joke, every time i sign up again I find it lacking tonnes of content. It optimizes for flicking through its catalog so nobody notices its missing nearly everything. It does this to wear you down into submission watching or rewatching some old crap. I went to watch the last season of the 100 before the new release, found its catalog is two seasons behind. Its a mess.
  - wolco 6y ago
    What country are you in? We're watching the last season now-
    - waheoo 6y ago
      Australia, me too, by torrents. Netflix stuck on season 5. Why? Prob same old bullshit. Exclusivity and some shit murdoch run network trying to maintain relevance in a youtube world. Netflix is garbage all over the world, it was only every half decent in USA where its now being erroded
      - untoreh 6y ago
        indeed thats probably also one of the most important reasons why they went on funding their own shows, and I don't think that there is another company that tries to bootstrap regional quality shows like netflix. As setting up your own streaming platform becomes easier most of the advantage netflix would provide is maybe just easier service offering outside of the main region of the network and less legal burden
      - deleted 6y ago
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      - caf 6y ago
        Yeah the latest season is on Foxtel in .au
    - airstrike 6y ago
      New seasons come out on Amazon Prime first, and only hit Netflix much later. Since the new season of The 100 is about to come out you're finally caught up on Netflix
- apta 6y ago
  > but now they are trying to kill the convenience by splitting content over 20 platforms Isn't monopoly generally regarded as a bad thing? How do we reconcile that with a single provider in this case?
  - mvid 6y ago
    Doesn’t really have to be one provider. I wouldn’t mind if there were 100 Netflix competitors if whichever one I picked gave me all of the content
    - Polylactic_acid 6y ago
      The problem is everyone is going to pick the one that has the most content and is most popular, so the competitors will all die unless they start making exclusivity deals.
      - riffraff 6y ago
        I am not a big fan of "solve by regulating" but I feel this is a case where I would like it to work. Just say that every content producer must license their work for a "reasonable" price which is connected to the actual viewership (we can do this with streaming). Companies may litigate this into oblivion but more likely the majority of content would become available cross- distribution. Don't cinemas work somewhat like this? You have chains owned by WB or whatever by they also show content from other content producers.
        atq2119 6y ago
        To your last point, my guess would be that it's down to physical cinemas scaling differently, which makes exclusivity pretty unattractive.
      - caf 6y ago
        Multiple music streaming services with the same content seem to be able to exist in some sort of equilibrium.
- itsoktocry 6y ago
  >The most puzzling thing is they already beat piracy with netflix You expect them to hand their content over to a middle-man (who is also a competitor), when building a streaming service is trivial with lots of capital? We were obviously heading in the direction of fragmented, a la carte services for a long time. I don't find having multiple services aggravating; I guess I'm in the minority.

The most puzzling thing is they already beat piracy with netflix but now they are trying to kill the convenience by splitting content over 20 platforms causing piracy to come back.

gpm 6y ago
Beating piracy isn't the goal, maximizing profit is. Netflix was giving the industry what... 10 dollars per family? They think they can get more than that by splitting into 20 different platforms. They're probably right.
- save_ferris 6y ago
  This is spot on, given the fact that the average US household cable bill was pretty outrageous to begin with.
  - syshum 6y ago
    Sadly I know people with a outrageous cable bill (hundreds of dollars per month) AND subscribe to 3 or more streaming services...
save_ferris 6y ago
They definitely didn’t beat piracy with Netflix, I’m not even sure they slowed it down much. Netflix in 2020 is an entirely different service than it was in 2011 back when their library was full of major titles. The reality is that the owners of content want their own distribution platforms, maybe because they saw what Apple did to the music industry via iTunes, but I’m not sure.
- chii 6y ago
  > Netflix in 2020 is an entirely different service than it was in 2011 so the content creation companies shot themselves in the foot by pulling their content to try to own the distribution platform (because it would theoretically give 'em more profits vs sharing it with netflix). But consumers saw value in netflix because the large library of content to be had for around $10 price point - this beats piracy of $0 for unlimited content. Now, for the same level of content as before, you'd have to pay for a half-dozen or so subscription services - likely adding up to 60-90 dollars per month. Piracy is starting to look good again for most people.
  - save_ferris 6y ago
    > so the content creation companies shot themselves in the foot Analysts speculate that the market for streaming services will saturate eventually, but I’m not sure we’ve seen it yet. Disney’s stock is the only one I can see that doesn’t have a YTD gain, but that particular decline follows the the global market trends and Disney faces hard times with their parks these days. Bottom line is that these new platforms don’t seem to be hurting that much. Large content owners saw the writing on the wall when they were negotiating their contracts with Netflix by adding termination clauses once Netflix viewership reached a certain point. The consumers are really the only ones hurting at the moment IMO.
- Polylactic_acid 6y ago
  Music streaming services have almost completely killed music piracy. It only exists today as a way for serious torrenting enthusiasts to get lossless or obscure albums
waheoo 6y ago
Beat piracy? Lol. Netflix is a joke, every time i sign up again I find it lacking tonnes of content. It optimizes for flicking through its catalog so nobody notices its missing nearly everything. It does this to wear you down into submission watching or rewatching some old crap. I went to watch the last season of the 100 before the new release, found its catalog is two seasons behind. Its a mess.
- wolco 6y ago
  What country are you in? We're watching the last season now-
  - waheoo 6y ago
    Australia, me too, by torrents. Netflix stuck on season 5. Why? Prob same old bullshit. Exclusivity and some shit murdoch run network trying to maintain relevance in a youtube world. Netflix is garbage all over the world, it was only every half decent in USA where its now being erroded
    - untoreh 6y ago
      indeed thats probably also one of the most important reasons why they went on funding their own shows, and I don't think that there is another company that tries to bootstrap regional quality shows like netflix. As setting up your own streaming platform becomes easier most of the advantage netflix would provide is maybe just easier service offering outside of the main region of the network and less legal burden
    - deleted 6y ago
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    - caf 6y ago
      Yeah the latest season is on Foxtel in .au
  - airstrike 6y ago
    New seasons come out on Amazon Prime first, and only hit Netflix much later. Since the new season of The 100 is about to come out you're finally caught up on Netflix
apta 6y ago
> but now they are trying to kill the convenience by splitting content over 20 platforms Isn't monopoly generally regarded as a bad thing? How do we reconcile that with a single provider in this case?
- mvid 6y ago
  Doesn’t really have to be one provider. I wouldn’t mind if there were 100 Netflix competitors if whichever one I picked gave me all of the content
  - Polylactic_acid 6y ago
    The problem is everyone is going to pick the one that has the most content and is most popular, so the competitors will all die unless they start making exclusivity deals.
    - riffraff 6y ago
      I am not a big fan of "solve by regulating" but I feel this is a case where I would like it to work. Just say that every content producer must license their work for a "reasonable" price which is connected to the actual viewership (we can do this with streaming). Companies may litigate this into oblivion but more likely the majority of content would become available cross- distribution. Don't cinemas work somewhat like this? You have chains owned by WB or whatever by they also show content from other content producers.
      - atq2119 6y ago
        To your last point, my guess would be that it's down to physical cinemas scaling differently, which makes exclusivity pretty unattractive.
    - caf 6y ago
      Multiple music streaming services with the same content seem to be able to exist in some sort of equilibrium.
itsoktocry 6y ago
>The most puzzling thing is they already beat piracy with netflix You expect them to hand their content over to a middle-man (who is also a competitor), when building a streaming service is trivial with lots of capital? We were obviously heading in the direction of fragmented, a la carte services for a long time. I don't find having multiple services aggravating; I guess I'm in the minority.