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What is so hard about staying home with your family, working, reading, playing games and watching Netflix? Jeez, people in living memory have endured so much mo

What is so hard about staying home with your family, working, reading, playing games and watching Netflix? Jeez, people in living memory have endured so much more, so much more gracefully.

pbhjpbhj 6y ago
I'll guess you don't live in a bedsit, and that you didn't lose your job when lockdown started, that you have game systems, and plenty of space and entertainment at home ...
- zarkov99 6y ago
  How does VR help you if you lost your job? As to the rest, yes, I suppose the lock down is easier for some than others, but I would suggest that for most its pretty fucking easy, and the amount of whining being done about it is a disgrace. People that lived through Syria's bombing or the Blitz would have a hard time comprehending what is it exactly that is so though about these few months.
  - pbhjpbhj 6y ago
    I'm not in a bad situation but playing openworld games (non-VR) has, I think, helped my mental health. I normally walk 4 miles a day to work, now I work and sleep in the same room; I feel some days like I'm in prison except without the social spaces and exercise time.
    - zarkov99 6y ago
      If you do not mind me asking, where do you live that you cannot step outside yet?
      - pbhjpbhj 6y ago
        I can now go out, and there's been some relaxation of lockdown (UK). I was referring to "over the last few weeks". It's not always been easy for me to get out during the day because of time conflicts (schooling, vs WFH; as nights are getting lighter this is getting easier). Primarily it was when we were in one exercise period per day (≤1hr), as I have a younger child it would normally not be enough exercise for me. The sense of moving around landscape helped me to relax and forget I was confined.
jansan 6y ago
Do you also think this way if a dissident in an authoritarian state is placed under house arrest? If not, what exactly is the difference?
- zarkov99 6y ago
  The difference is that I am happy to stay home. I believe it is the right thing to do for the tribe and an incredible bargain, an incredible cheap price for (minor) virtue and a sense of community, of togetherness.
  - jansan 6y ago
    That was not the point that was made. The OP claimed that not being able to leave you house for a prolonged period of time is not a problem at all. Keeping people locked up in their houses is bad. Even if it is the best decision is a certain situation, it is still bad.
    - luckylion 6y ago
      The difference is similar to being put on a diet and being starved. "House arrest" of dissidents usually entails much, much more. Threats, no entertainment, no internet, no social media etc pp. Lock down (which, in most of the world, it isn't, it's just "don't go down town and party", you can still go for a walk) is very much different. For all the mindfulness hype of the past years, I've expected people to take it better. It sucks, yes, of course, plenty of things suck. It will be over at some point (another thing that's very different form being put under house arrest as a dissident), and your life isn't in immediate danger. Acknowledge that it suck and move on. And turn off the news. Don't watch it. You'll hear when the lock down is over, and you don't need to know about the minutiae of potential horror, fear and the apocalypse.
      - jansan 6y ago
        >> "House arrest" of dissidents usually entails much, much more. Threats, no entertainment, no internet, no social media etc pp. Do you have any sources for this? I have the feeling you made this up.
cameronbrown 6y ago
A lot of young people (including me) live alone, making the isolation much more serious. People also aren't built for extended isolation from other humans, it's some kind of base instinct to be social. I got lucky because I escaped back to my family home before the lockdowns, but not everyone could've done that.
- zarkov99 6y ago
  Sure, I agree that for a few the lock down is genuinely tough. Surely for a few others its an improvement over their previous circumstances. For the majority however, specially those that can actually afford VR, its nothing but an inconvenience, maybe a slight bump in anxiety brought about by a glimpse of chaos. Its that lack of perspective I have a problem with. There are people that actually are in danger, that have to go to work, because they are "essential", though apparently not essential enough to get paid, and the least the rest of us can do is stop bitching about being locked in a safe, comfortable place.
  - cameronbrown 6y ago
    "A few"? As a society, we're living in a crisis of loneliness.[0] Lack of social contact is mentally and physically devastating for the human psyche, and this is evident in the current suicide rate[1][2]. One could argue that this trade-off is worth it[3], because more people will die from the virus than suicide, but this is predicated on our Coronavirus modelling being accurate. This is still in dispute[4][5], and arguable either way. For many, being locked in is not "safe & comfortable"[6][7][8][9]. The so called people who are "bitching" are at great risk of suicide. From a certain PoV, essential workers are just in a different form of danger. At the end of the day, we're making a conscious trade-off of some lives for other lives here - everybody has the right to be upset. So no, I think you should "stop bitching" about the plight of others (there are complainers on both sides). Just because you have it good, the majority of people _do not_. Have a little empathy. [0]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/07/loneliness-social-connect-local-communities https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/07/loneli... (this applies more broadly than the UK) [1]https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1286065/lockdown-end-coronavirus-california-donald-trump-gavin-newsom-suicide-death-toll https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1286065/lockdown-end-co... [2]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7177120/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7177120/ [3]https://theconversation.com/the-calculus-of-death-shows-the-covid-lock-down-is-clearly-worth-the-cost-137716 https://theconversation.com/the-calculus-of-death-shows-the-... [4]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/16/neil-fergusons-imperial-model-could-devastating-software-mistake/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/16/neil-fergu... [5]https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/05/08/so-the-real-scandal-is-why-did-anyone-ever-listen-to-this-guy/ https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/05/08/so-the-rea... [6]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52433520 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52433520 [7]https://www.ft.com/content/e5061be6-2978-4c0b-aa68-f372a2526826 https://www.ft.com/content/e5061be6-2978-4c0b-aa68-f372a2526... [8]https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/26/britains-lockdown-diaries-expose-gulf-in-wellbeing-between-rich-and-poor https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/26/britains-loc... [9]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/01/covid-19-deaths-twice-as-high-in-poorest-areas-in-england-and-wales https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/01/covid-19-death...
runeb 6y ago
What a privileged and narrow view. For people living alone much of the hard part of lockdown is not having human touch or connection. I don’t know if I’ll see my significant other in 2 months or 12-18. But sure, I’ll just watch some Netflix I guess.
- zarkov99 6y ago
  I would argue that it is your perspective that is narrow. Very few people are in danger of not seeing their loved ones for up 1.5 years. Even two more months stretches credibility.
  - runeb 6y ago
    I’m going to go against my instinct that you are trolling and take you seriously. I suggest you read up on the various travel bans that are in place in much of the world.
    - zarkov99 6y ago
      Thank you for you kindness, I will show similar restraint in not assuming that you are vastly exaggerating the worst possible outcome so you can play the victim. I looked, briefly, at travel bans. I see nothing that extends beyond 30 days from now. You mention 2 months to 1.5 years. Honestly do you really think that is a possibility? I genuinely cannot see it, but I could easily be wrong.
      - brmgb 6y ago
        France came out of two months of strict lockdown two weeks ago and borders remain closed. It's highly unlikely they will open before the end of next month. I personally have a friend who hasn't seen his significant other in England for three months and in all likelihood will be unable to for at least a month more. We are not talking about an hypothetical scenario. This is their actual life currently for millions of people.

What is so hard about staying home with your family, working, reading, playing games and watching Netflix? Jeez, people in living memory have endured so much more, so much more gracefully.

pbhjpbhj 6y ago

I'll guess you don't live in a bedsit, and that you didn't lose your job when lockdown started, that you have game systems, and plenty of space and entertainment at home ...

zarkov99 6y ago
How does VR help you if you lost your job? As to the rest, yes, I suppose the lock down is easier for some than others, but I would suggest that for most its pretty fucking easy, and the amount of whining being done about it is a disgrace. People that lived through Syria's bombing or the Blitz would have a hard time comprehending what is it exactly that is so though about these few months.
- pbhjpbhj 6y ago
  I'm not in a bad situation but playing openworld games (non-VR) has, I think, helped my mental health. I normally walk 4 miles a day to work, now I work and sleep in the same room; I feel some days like I'm in prison except without the social spaces and exercise time.
  - zarkov99 6y ago
    If you do not mind me asking, where do you live that you cannot step outside yet?
    - pbhjpbhj 6y ago
      I can now go out, and there's been some relaxation of lockdown (UK). I was referring to "over the last few weeks". It's not always been easy for me to get out during the day because of time conflicts (schooling, vs WFH; as nights are getting lighter this is getting easier). Primarily it was when we were in one exercise period per day (≤1hr), as I have a younger child it would normally not be enough exercise for me. The sense of moving around landscape helped me to relax and forget I was confined.

jansan 6y ago

Do you also think this way if a dissident in an authoritarian state is placed under house arrest? If not, what exactly is the difference?

zarkov99 6y ago
The difference is that I am happy to stay home. I believe it is the right thing to do for the tribe and an incredible bargain, an incredible cheap price for (minor) virtue and a sense of community, of togetherness.
- jansan 6y ago
  That was not the point that was made. The OP claimed that not being able to leave you house for a prolonged period of time is not a problem at all. Keeping people locked up in their houses is bad. Even if it is the best decision is a certain situation, it is still bad.
  - luckylion 6y ago
    The difference is similar to being put on a diet and being starved. "House arrest" of dissidents usually entails much, much more. Threats, no entertainment, no internet, no social media etc pp. Lock down (which, in most of the world, it isn't, it's just "don't go down town and party", you can still go for a walk) is very much different. For all the mindfulness hype of the past years, I've expected people to take it better. It sucks, yes, of course, plenty of things suck. It will be over at some point (another thing that's very different form being put under house arrest as a dissident), and your life isn't in immediate danger. Acknowledge that it suck and move on. And turn off the news. Don't watch it. You'll hear when the lock down is over, and you don't need to know about the minutiae of potential horror, fear and the apocalypse.
    - jansan 6y ago
      >> "House arrest" of dissidents usually entails much, much more. Threats, no entertainment, no internet, no social media etc pp. Do you have any sources for this? I have the feeling you made this up.

cameronbrown 6y ago

A lot of young people (including me) live alone, making the isolation much more serious. People also aren't built for extended isolation from other humans, it's some kind of base instinct to be social. I got lucky because I escaped back to my family home before the lockdowns, but not everyone could've done that.

zarkov99 6y ago
Sure, I agree that for a few the lock down is genuinely tough. Surely for a few others its an improvement over their previous circumstances. For the majority however, specially those that can actually afford VR, its nothing but an inconvenience, maybe a slight bump in anxiety brought about by a glimpse of chaos. Its that lack of perspective I have a problem with. There are people that actually are in danger, that have to go to work, because they are "essential", though apparently not essential enough to get paid, and the least the rest of us can do is stop bitching about being locked in a safe, comfortable place.
- cameronbrown 6y ago
  "A few"? As a society, we're living in a crisis of loneliness.[0] Lack of social contact is mentally and physically devastating for the human psyche, and this is evident in the current suicide rate[1][2]. One could argue that this trade-off is worth it[3], because more people will die from the virus than suicide, but this is predicated on our Coronavirus modelling being accurate. This is still in dispute[4][5], and arguable either way. For many, being locked in is not "safe & comfortable"[6][7][8][9]. The so called people who are "bitching" are at great risk of suicide. From a certain PoV, essential workers are just in a different form of danger. At the end of the day, we're making a conscious trade-off of some lives for other lives here - everybody has the right to be upset. So no, I think you should "stop bitching" about the plight of others (there are complainers on both sides). Just because you have it good, the majority of people _do not_. Have a little empathy. [0]https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/07/loneliness-social-connect-local-communities https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/07/loneli... (this applies more broadly than the UK) [1]https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1286065/lockdown-end-coronavirus-california-donald-trump-gavin-newsom-suicide-death-toll https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1286065/lockdown-end-co... [2]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7177120/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7177120/ [3]https://theconversation.com/the-calculus-of-death-shows-the-covid-lock-down-is-clearly-worth-the-cost-137716 https://theconversation.com/the-calculus-of-death-shows-the-... [4]https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/16/neil-fergusons-imperial-model-could-devastating-software-mistake/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/05/16/neil-fergu... [5]https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/05/08/so-the-real-scandal-is-why-did-anyone-ever-listen-to-this-guy/ https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/05/08/so-the-rea... [6]https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52433520 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52433520 [7]https://www.ft.com/content/e5061be6-2978-4c0b-aa68-f372a2526826 https://www.ft.com/content/e5061be6-2978-4c0b-aa68-f372a2526... [8]https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/26/britains-lockdown-diaries-expose-gulf-in-wellbeing-between-rich-and-poor https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/26/britains-loc... [9]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/01/covid-19-deaths-twice-as-high-in-poorest-areas-in-england-and-wales https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/01/covid-19-death...

runeb 6y ago

What a privileged and narrow view. For people living alone much of the hard part of lockdown is not having human touch or connection. I don’t know if I’ll see my significant other in 2 months or 12-18. But sure, I’ll just watch some Netflix I guess.

zarkov99 6y ago
I would argue that it is your perspective that is narrow. Very few people are in danger of not seeing their loved ones for up 1.5 years. Even two more months stretches credibility.
- runeb 6y ago
  I’m going to go against my instinct that you are trolling and take you seriously. I suggest you read up on the various travel bans that are in place in much of the world.
  - zarkov99 6y ago
    Thank you for you kindness, I will show similar restraint in not assuming that you are vastly exaggerating the worst possible outcome so you can play the victim. I looked, briefly, at travel bans. I see nothing that extends beyond 30 days from now. You mention 2 months to 1.5 years. Honestly do you really think that is a possibility? I genuinely cannot see it, but I could easily be wrong.
    - brmgb 6y ago
      France came out of two months of strict lockdown two weeks ago and borders remain closed. It's highly unlikely they will open before the end of next month. I personally have a friend who hasn't seen his significant other in England for three months and in all likelihood will be unable to for at least a month more. We are not talking about an hypothetical scenario. This is their actual life currently for millions of people.