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This was actually really interesting to me! It feels like they're saying basically now people are doing the whole thing themselves (soup to um, nuts, as it wer

by cbanek 6y ago

This was actually really interesting to me! It feels like they're saying basically now people are doing the whole thing themselves (soup to um, nuts, as it were). Directing, lighting, shooting, and being in the films. It seems like these are great skills to learn and differentiators! I wonder if this might inspire a new generation of not only porn making but film making as some of these people may eventually end up doing other things? The ending of "Hearts of Darkness: A Filmmakers Apocalypse" (filmed during the shooting of Apocalypse Now, 1979): Francis Ford Coppola: To me, the great hope is that now these little 8mm video recorders and stuff have come out, and some... just people who normally wouldn't make movies are going to be making them. And you know, suddenly, one day some little fat girl in Ohio is going to be the new Mozart, you know, and make a beautiful film with her little father's camera recorder. And for once, the so-called professionalism about movies will be destroyed, forever. And it will really become an art form. That's my opinion.

foepys 6y ago
While movies aren't being produced by "little fat girls in Ohio", the internet and digital cameras made "Vloggers" possible. The predicted outcome wasn't met exactly but 40 years later people are making their own video productions for millions of viewers online. It was a very good prediction.
- SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
  Yeah, I think most young people these days see an order of magnitude more "some guy with a camera" content than traditional television or movies.
- deleted 6y ago
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- burntoutfire 6y ago
  Except for the fact that no masterpieces were created this way...
  - gumby 6y ago
    So what? Perhaps the overprofessionalization of activity is winding down. People used to enjoy singing together, amateur productions, and local amateur sports. Those things have not vanished, of course, but are significantly lower volume, having been replaced by purchasing the work of professionals. There's nothing wrong with high quality professional product, but something else was lost in the process. If the pendulum moves back a bit many people may enjoy life more. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
  - ponker 6y ago
    Wrong https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HUngLgGRJpo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HUngLgGRJpo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sdUUx5FdySs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sdUUx5FdySs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IOu0DuxFAT0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IOu0DuxFAT0
  - rurban 6y ago
    Wrong. Masters started that way. Even porn masters, who tuned the industry upside down. Such as Buttman creating with his Gonzo style the Evil Empire, destroying all the old studios.
ornornor 6y ago
I found the article interesting too. Porn can be really exploitative for the performers, good for them that this is the perfect storm to not depend on anyone else anymore and make their own content. I’ve been thinking for a little while to do something around that industry, a tool to make it easier to get shit done and earn more money for the models/performers but I haven’t found what yet. I’d love to get in touch with people who produce this kind of content themselves to see what could be a useful product and do some research but I don’t personally know any. I have not succeeded so far because (I guess) I’m getting drowned into the constant stream of creeps that want their attention, my contact attempts receiving no answer. Any ideas how to approach this?
- pmachinery 6y ago
  So you think it's great they don't have to depend on anyone else, but that they should still for some reason be interested in someone who, by your own admission, doesn't have a clue about "that industry" and has nothing at all to offer to "get shit done" (whatever that is supposed to mean)? And you're confused why these people already making lots of money by and for themselves aren't interested in yet another random guy selflessly offering to "help" them, and think it can only be the fault of "creeps" (people more likely to be supporting the performers, and not just looking to make money off their backs)?
  - khazhoux 6y ago
    Why the harsh tone? There was nothing contradictory is his/her statement.
    - pmachinery 6y ago
      > Why the harsh tone? It wasn't intended to be harsh, simply a case of 'come on dude, think about it'. These performers will be swamped by offers of "help" every day from people charitably wanting to get in on their act. The people who matter to the performers are the supporters/fans the poster (harshly) dismisses as "creeps". > There was nothing contradictory is his/her statement. Without wanting to repeat myself, their first sentence is about how great they think it is performers/models don't need anyone else, and the rest is annoyance and refusal to accept that that includes him/her.
narag 6y ago
A new kind of porn was already developing before pandemic: an action cam mounted in the chest or head of the guy. Maybe it doesn't sound so new. But there's something that makes it very different: you can feel vividly that the performers are alone, because some cues from the video or the sound. It's really a couple making love, or maybe three persons, but the feeling is totally different from a studio shot.
jimbob45 6y ago
I think "commoditization" would have been a better choice of word than "professionalism". There's nothing wrong with taking your craft seriously but damage is done when you make your art formulaic.
- jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
  What gets damaged?
  - runawaybottle 6y ago
    Creativity. It takes the standard cycle of taking creativity, ruthlessly optimizing it to a point where you can manufacture a mass producible version of that creativity, and then go through the destructive phase where things became too formulaic to be considered creative anymore and require full destruction. The shift from Baroque era music over to Classical is a good example. Disney’s formula for converting comic books and 90s cartoons to live action is a form of this optimization. There is an upper limit to it. One can argue that certain parts of tech, for better or worse, has this cycle built in more than others. Both parts of the cycle are important, as one pushes things to establish the new standard (boundless creativity), while the other pushes things to the mainstream (boundless efficiency).
  - jimbob45 6y ago
    When you churn out the same formula, you crowd out lesser players that might have really pushed the art form forward (Madden and NBA2K would be two prime examples).
    - jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
      I mean, if that's damages, there should be some kind of lawsuit right?
Melting_Harps 6y ago
> Francis Ford Coppola: To me, the great hope is that now these little 8mm video recorders and stuff have come out, and some... just people who normally wouldn't make movies are going to be making them. And you know, suddenly, one day some little fat girl in Ohio is going to be the new Mozart, you know, and make a beautiful film with her little father's camera recorder. And for once, the so-called professionalism about movies will be destroyed, forever. And it will really become an art form. That's my opinion. Fans Only? I came across this platform after being directed to the twitter feed of some Industry actors who gave away their new subscriptions/product profits to help COVID front line workers get PPE or Meal on wheels etc... I thought that it was quite fascinating seeing an independently operated and curated content management solution work so brilliantly given the landscape. There was this Porn actress who started accepting Bitcoin and all other cryptocurrencies for her content and performances [1] after she saw how much more lucrative getting rid of the middle man/studio was. Porn is a saturated Market, I mean its absurd just how much of it exists when you think about it, and yet many of them not only turn a profit on these platforms, but can also do good in the World with the resources they acquired. Which, wherever your position is on Porn, cannot be denied to be a beautiful thing. I bought Asa Akira's book after she gave her money from Pornhub account subscriptions to help with COVID in NY [2]. I would have never bothered to do so had she not done so, as she's been on many podcasts and the content is already free on Youtube, thus proving the model works. There was this Bitcoin based cam-girl (foxxxy) in the early days of Bitcoin community that said it best when trying to crowdsource something called Sean's Outpost and Satoshi's Forest after Pensacola, FL police made Homelessness illegal: Tits once fed the World, and they can do it again! 1: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/brenna-sparks-cryptocurrencies-criticism-her-170011287.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/brenna-sparks-cryptocurrencie... 2: https://meaww.com/porn-star-asa-akira-donates-her-pornhub-income-to-hospitals-in-nyc https://meaww.com/porn-star-asa-akira-donates-her-pornhub-in...
ken 6y ago
FFC 23 years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyvEgHo5sTU&t=4m32s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyvEgHo5sTU&t=4m32s

by cbanek 6y ago

foepys 6y ago

While movies aren't being produced by "little fat girls in Ohio", the internet and digital cameras made "Vloggers" possible. The predicted outcome wasn't met exactly but 40 years later people are making their own video productions for millions of viewers online. It was a very good prediction.

SpicyLemonZest 6y ago
Yeah, I think most young people these days see an order of magnitude more "some guy with a camera" content than traditional television or movies.
deleted 6y ago
[deleted]
burntoutfire 6y ago
Except for the fact that no masterpieces were created this way...
- gumby 6y ago
  So what? Perhaps the overprofessionalization of activity is winding down. People used to enjoy singing together, amateur productions, and local amateur sports. Those things have not vanished, of course, but are significantly lower volume, having been replaced by purchasing the work of professionals. There's nothing wrong with high quality professional product, but something else was lost in the process. If the pendulum moves back a bit many people may enjoy life more. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
- ponker 6y ago
  Wrong https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HUngLgGRJpo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HUngLgGRJpo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sdUUx5FdySs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sdUUx5FdySs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IOu0DuxFAT0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IOu0DuxFAT0
- rurban 6y ago
  Wrong. Masters started that way. Even porn masters, who tuned the industry upside down. Such as Buttman creating with his Gonzo style the Evil Empire, destroying all the old studios.

ornornor 6y ago

I found the article interesting too. Porn can be really exploitative for the performers, good for them that this is the perfect storm to not depend on anyone else anymore and make their own content. I’ve been thinking for a little while to do something around that industry, a tool to make it easier to get shit done and earn more money for the models/performers but I haven’t found what yet. I’d love to get in touch with people who produce this kind of content themselves to see what could be a useful product and do some research but I don’t personally know any. I have not succeeded so far because (I guess) I’m getting drowned into the constant stream of creeps that want their attention, my contact attempts receiving no answer. Any ideas how to approach this?

pmachinery 6y ago
So you think it's great they don't have to depend on anyone else, but that they should still for some reason be interested in someone who, by your own admission, doesn't have a clue about "that industry" and has nothing at all to offer to "get shit done" (whatever that is supposed to mean)? And you're confused why these people already making lots of money by and for themselves aren't interested in yet another random guy selflessly offering to "help" them, and think it can only be the fault of "creeps" (people more likely to be supporting the performers, and not just looking to make money off their backs)?
- khazhoux 6y ago
  Why the harsh tone? There was nothing contradictory is his/her statement.
  - pmachinery 6y ago
    > Why the harsh tone? It wasn't intended to be harsh, simply a case of 'come on dude, think about it'. These performers will be swamped by offers of "help" every day from people charitably wanting to get in on their act. The people who matter to the performers are the supporters/fans the poster (harshly) dismisses as "creeps". > There was nothing contradictory is his/her statement. Without wanting to repeat myself, their first sentence is about how great they think it is performers/models don't need anyone else, and the rest is annoyance and refusal to accept that that includes him/her.

narag 6y ago

A new kind of porn was already developing before pandemic: an action cam mounted in the chest or head of the guy. Maybe it doesn't sound so new. But there's something that makes it very different: you can feel vividly that the performers are alone, because some cues from the video or the sound. It's really a couple making love, or maybe three persons, but the feeling is totally different from a studio shot.

jimbob45 6y ago

I think "commoditization" would have been a better choice of word than "professionalism". There's nothing wrong with taking your craft seriously but damage is done when you make your art formulaic.

jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
What gets damaged?
- runawaybottle 6y ago
  Creativity. It takes the standard cycle of taking creativity, ruthlessly optimizing it to a point where you can manufacture a mass producible version of that creativity, and then go through the destructive phase where things became too formulaic to be considered creative anymore and require full destruction. The shift from Baroque era music over to Classical is a good example. Disney’s formula for converting comic books and 90s cartoons to live action is a form of this optimization. There is an upper limit to it. One can argue that certain parts of tech, for better or worse, has this cycle built in more than others. Both parts of the cycle are important, as one pushes things to establish the new standard (boundless creativity), while the other pushes things to the mainstream (boundless efficiency).
- jimbob45 6y ago
  When you churn out the same formula, you crowd out lesser players that might have really pushed the art form forward (Madden and NBA2K would be two prime examples).
  - jacobwilliamroy 6y ago
    I mean, if that's damages, there should be some kind of lawsuit right?

Melting_Harps 6y ago

> Francis Ford Coppola: To me, the great hope is that now these little 8mm video recorders and stuff have come out, and some... just people who normally wouldn't make movies are going to be making them. And you know, suddenly, one day some little fat girl in Ohio is going to be the new Mozart, you know, and make a beautiful film with her little father's camera recorder. And for once, the so-called professionalism about movies will be destroyed, forever. And it will really become an art form. That's my opinion. Fans Only? I came across this platform after being directed to the twitter feed of some Industry actors who gave away their new subscriptions/product profits to help COVID front line workers get PPE or Meal on wheels etc... I thought that it was quite fascinating seeing an independently operated and curated content management solution work so brilliantly given the landscape. There was this Porn actress who started accepting Bitcoin and all other cryptocurrencies for her content and performances [1] after she saw how much more lucrative getting rid of the middle man/studio was. Porn is a saturated Market, I mean its absurd just how much of it exists when you think about it, and yet many of them not only turn a profit on these platforms, but can also do good in the World with the resources they acquired. Which, wherever your position is on Porn, cannot be denied to be a beautiful thing. I bought Asa Akira's book after she gave her money from Pornhub account subscriptions to help with COVID in NY [2]. I would have never bothered to do so had she not done so, as she's been on many podcasts and the content is already free on Youtube, thus proving the model works. There was this Bitcoin based cam-girl (foxxxy) in the early days of Bitcoin community that said it best when trying to crowdsource something called Sean's Outpost and Satoshi's Forest after Pensacola, FL police made Homelessness illegal: Tits once fed the World, and they can do it again! 1: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/brenna-sparks-cryptocurrencies-criticism-her-170011287.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/brenna-sparks-cryptocurrencie... 2: https://meaww.com/porn-star-asa-akira-donates-her-pornhub-income-to-hospitals-in-nyc https://meaww.com/porn-star-asa-akira-donates-her-pornhub-in...

ken 6y ago

FFC 23 years later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyvEgHo5sTU&t=4m32s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyvEgHo5sTU&t=4m32s