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Congrats for the release! I love Krita. Actually, my kids love it so much. I've had a Wacom tablet for years and thanks to Krita my kids are expanding their ar

Congrats for the release! I love Krita. Actually, my kids love it so much. I've had a Wacom tablet for years and thanks to Krita my kids are expanding their artistic skills rapidly. I wish the people behind it all the best!

Mirioron 6y ago
I wish more parents bought their kids drawing tablets. Kids try out all kinds of things, but it's hard to try out something that you don't have the equipment for. Sure, drawing on paper is a possibility, but it's not quite the same thing as digital art that tends to be much easier to share and get feedback on.
- mbeex 6y ago
  The leading brand is quite expensive (at least here in Germany), especially when it comes to reasonable sizes (A4/letter). I've been putting this off for years. Finally - a few months ago - I aquired something remarkable cheaper, a chinese Gaomon M106K. It turned out, it is not cheap at all in the other sense of the word. Good quality and support at least for my use case (a bit different, handwritten formulas and sometimes some sketched diagrams). But my youngest kids use it for painting with Krita too.
  - illuminated 6y ago
    I got lucky years ago running into sales for a bluetooth version of the Wacom tablet (540WL) and the wireless option does somehow "sets you free" while drawing... But they are expensive, yes.
  - omnimus 6y ago
    Nobody wants A4 tablet trust me its not worth it. Ive seen so many pros replace them with A5 or even A6 because its better and more convinient. On the other hand any other brand than the leading brand is truly terrible.
    - mkl 6y ago
      I do! This doesn't make sense to me. I have a Galaxy Note 12.2, and it's great, but bigger would be better (it's not quite A4). I also have a 12"×9" Wacom Intuos, 12" Surface Pro, 15" Surface Book 2 from work. All of those would be even better bigger (but the work laptop wouldn't fit in my backpack any more). I have a small Wacom tablet too, and it's too small to be very useful.
      - omnimus 6y ago
        Touchscreens and Tablets are something very different. Sure you want as big screen as possible. I bet most people who switch to touchscreens never want tablet back. Many people prefer tablets over touchscreens because you don't have to slouch.
        sitkack 6y ago
        I would be interested in seeing videos of how people draw with tablets and touchscreens. Esp drawing with a small A6 tablet.
        egypturnash 6y ago
        Yeah, I am a pro artist and I have played with screen tablets and I do not like the way they make me hunch over my work surface and ruin my back, I really like that I can have my screen at the proper height above my desk and my tablet at the most comfortable place on my desk. No slouching, no achy spine, no ending up with nose prints on the screen because I hunch closer instead of using the zoom capabilities.
        m4rtink 6y ago
        Devices like the Galaxy Tab S6 are basically a very powerful Android tablet with low latency high precision pen input (also does pressure and tilt detectio) via the supplied S pen (uses basically the same battery free technology as Wacom tablets).
        mkl 6y ago
        As I mentioned, I have two graphics tablets (i.e. without screens), both Wacom, one large and one small. The small one is not very useful, and the larger one (~A4 drawing area) would be even more useful a bit bigger.
  - mackrevinack 6y ago
    what kind of price are we taking about? because a second hand surface pro 3 is probably cheap these days and could be used for a lot more than a wacom tablet, playing music, watching videos etc
    - StavrosK 6y ago
      $50.
      - mbeex 6y ago
        Not for a Wacom with form factor >= A4. These have easily a price tag in the higher three-digit Euro range (and even more). Things like the A5 (!) Bamboo slate _start_ at 100 EU. @parent Of course - I also switched for ebooks from a dedicated reader to a tablet. But I'm still missing the ability for reading in the full sun, power for two weeks w/o charging, easiness on the eyes. Similar - but harder to tolerate - things apply to a painting tablet. You cannot replace it simply by a multi-function device without losing quite a lot functionality.
        StavrosK 6y ago
        I was talking about the GAOMON the GP mentioned.
  - Moru 6y ago
    The huion tablets are just as good if not better than wacom.
    - vczf 6y ago
      That's what I thought as well, but my experience contradicts that. Wacom is expensive, but it still leads in terms of sensitivity and accuracy. The pressure levels and other specs don't tell the full story. On both my iPad Pro (2017) and an open-box Huion H610 Pro (pretty old) I saw stairstepping behavior when drawing a straight line with a ruler on a diagonal. It wasn't very pronounced on the iPad, but it was still there. If you draw the stroke quickly, the smoothing kicks in and straightens it. I'm pretty sure this is a normal side effect of the tech used to identify the grid coordinate of the stylus. But the wobbling was notably bad on the Huion. https://imgur.com/a/iPNZzrY https://imgur.com/a/iPNZzrY When I got a Wacom Intuos Pro PTH660 (Amazon renewed), the same test without smoothing showed a perfectly straight line, even when drawing quite slowly. I don't know why the Wacom is better. Maybe it's got a higher resolution grid for detecting the pen location. Or maybe it's just got better tuned drivers. It's also much easier to freehand accurate lines and ellipses on the Wacom. You generally can't trust the reviews of Wacom alternatives on YouTube. As reported by Aaron Rutten, most of the companies are not looking for fair and unbiased reviews: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twy5Wo8m284&t=337 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twy5Wo8m284&t=337
- illuminated 6y ago
  I am constantly amazed at what they are able to do with it. I was just a minute ago explaining to my younger daughter the concept of layers and the first thing she did with it was to separate an object to which she wanted to apply a special filter. Without even thinking about it.
  - kitsunesoba 6y ago
    This takes me back to when I was 12 and discovered layers in Photoshop 6. Having always been frustrated with my drawings being all matted together in Paint/ClarisWorks/etc, layers blew my mind and hooked me on the concept of digital art. Layers are a great example of how simple tools can act as a multiplier for creativity and inspiration.
    - illuminated 6y ago
      I lost my PC graphics virginity with Corel DRAW (I don't remember the version). Man, it was so inspiring... I could never get used to Adobe Illustrator afterwards, it just did not seem logic after working with Corel Draw for years. They've recently published a revamped version with Mac compatibility and I bought it just for the sake of good old times, although I'm far from doing any graphic work anymore.
- m4rtink 6y ago
  This is basically Wacoms fault - they sat on their patents basically only producing expensive high end devices, preventing others from providing high volume basic but cheap devices. This was the most apparent in the LCD tablet are where until recently was just the high end Wacom made Cintiq that was insanely expensive and nothing else. I believe that we lost at least one generation of digital artists due to this - not everyone can be productive by a non-LCD tablet and even those have been overpriced. Thankfully with the main Wacom tablet patents finally gone, the situation seems to be finally recovering, with many new, mostly Chinese, LCD tablet makers and a lot of people using high end Android and Apple tablets for drawing (which are still much much cheaper than what Wacom used to want for a simple LCD tablet display or for what it sells its bulky mobile studio devices these days). But to this day, we can still see the technical dept caused by Wacom blocking a whole area of HID devices for ~20 years - drivers for non Wacom LCD drawing displays are still a mess and there is a lack of quality drawing software, especially on Android. So good to se Krita helping to address at least one of these issues. :)
  - bitwize 6y ago
    There have been cheap tablets around for years, many of those work fine. I remember having a Kurta tablet in the late 90s that cost like $60 or so. For me the gating factor was Linux support: along that axis, there was Wacom (which had it), and everybody else (which didn't). These days, even though the kernel and X drivers are called "wacom", they support all manner of budget tablets under a variety of brand names (though you will want to check to see if a particular model is supported, and how well). LCD tablets are nice (albeit for a while it was cheaper to simply buy a tablet-based notebook computer than a Cintiq of equivalent size) -- but not having one doesn't prevent you from being proficient at digital art. Using a regular tablet is a great way to get started; the extra precision offered by an integrated LCD display extends your reach and productivity, it doesn't gate being able to produce at all.
    - m4rtink 6y ago
      From my experience using a non screen tablet makes the learning curve much steeper while a screen tablet feels much more natural due to people being used to seeing what they are drawing from writing and drawing on paper. I have seen this one some festivals where they set up a couple Wacom LCD tablet devices for people to draw on - there was a lot of interest and basically everyone was able to start drawing in a couple minutes. Seeing what you are drawing on the screen and not in front of you basically throws all the muscle memory people have from paper drawing and writing out of the window.
hellozee 6y ago
<3, do check this out, https://krita-artists.org/c/artwork/5/l/top https://krita-artists.org/c/artwork/5/l/top
- illuminated 6y ago
  Thanks for the link, looks great!
renewiltord 6y ago
Does the pressure sensitivity work well for you in Krita?

Mirioron 6y ago

I wish more parents bought their kids drawing tablets. Kids try out all kinds of things, but it's hard to try out something that you don't have the equipment for. Sure, drawing on paper is a possibility, but it's not quite the same thing as digital art that tends to be much easier to share and get feedback on.

mbeex 6y ago
The leading brand is quite expensive (at least here in Germany), especially when it comes to reasonable sizes (A4/letter). I've been putting this off for years. Finally - a few months ago - I aquired something remarkable cheaper, a chinese Gaomon M106K. It turned out, it is not cheap at all in the other sense of the word. Good quality and support at least for my use case (a bit different, handwritten formulas and sometimes some sketched diagrams). But my youngest kids use it for painting with Krita too.
- illuminated 6y ago
  I got lucky years ago running into sales for a bluetooth version of the Wacom tablet (540WL) and the wireless option does somehow "sets you free" while drawing... But they are expensive, yes.
- omnimus 6y ago
  Nobody wants A4 tablet trust me its not worth it. Ive seen so many pros replace them with A5 or even A6 because its better and more convinient. On the other hand any other brand than the leading brand is truly terrible.
  - mkl 6y ago
    I do! This doesn't make sense to me. I have a Galaxy Note 12.2, and it's great, but bigger would be better (it's not quite A4). I also have a 12"×9" Wacom Intuos, 12" Surface Pro, 15" Surface Book 2 from work. All of those would be even better bigger (but the work laptop wouldn't fit in my backpack any more). I have a small Wacom tablet too, and it's too small to be very useful.
    - omnimus 6y ago
      Touchscreens and Tablets are something very different. Sure you want as big screen as possible. I bet most people who switch to touchscreens never want tablet back. Many people prefer tablets over touchscreens because you don't have to slouch.
      - sitkack 6y ago
        I would be interested in seeing videos of how people draw with tablets and touchscreens. Esp drawing with a small A6 tablet.
      - egypturnash 6y ago
        Yeah, I am a pro artist and I have played with screen tablets and I do not like the way they make me hunch over my work surface and ruin my back, I really like that I can have my screen at the proper height above my desk and my tablet at the most comfortable place on my desk. No slouching, no achy spine, no ending up with nose prints on the screen because I hunch closer instead of using the zoom capabilities.
      - m4rtink 6y ago
        Devices like the Galaxy Tab S6 are basically a very powerful Android tablet with low latency high precision pen input (also does pressure and tilt detectio) via the supplied S pen (uses basically the same battery free technology as Wacom tablets).
      - mkl 6y ago
        As I mentioned, I have two graphics tablets (i.e. without screens), both Wacom, one large and one small. The small one is not very useful, and the larger one (~A4 drawing area) would be even more useful a bit bigger.
- mackrevinack 6y ago
  what kind of price are we taking about? because a second hand surface pro 3 is probably cheap these days and could be used for a lot more than a wacom tablet, playing music, watching videos etc
  - StavrosK 6y ago
    $50.
    - mbeex 6y ago
      Not for a Wacom with form factor >= A4. These have easily a price tag in the higher three-digit Euro range (and even more). Things like the A5 (!) Bamboo slate _start_ at 100 EU. @parent Of course - I also switched for ebooks from a dedicated reader to a tablet. But I'm still missing the ability for reading in the full sun, power for two weeks w/o charging, easiness on the eyes. Similar - but harder to tolerate - things apply to a painting tablet. You cannot replace it simply by a multi-function device without losing quite a lot functionality.
      - StavrosK 6y ago
        I was talking about the GAOMON the GP mentioned.
- Moru 6y ago
  The huion tablets are just as good if not better than wacom.
  - vczf 6y ago
    That's what I thought as well, but my experience contradicts that. Wacom is expensive, but it still leads in terms of sensitivity and accuracy. The pressure levels and other specs don't tell the full story. On both my iPad Pro (2017) and an open-box Huion H610 Pro (pretty old) I saw stairstepping behavior when drawing a straight line with a ruler on a diagonal. It wasn't very pronounced on the iPad, but it was still there. If you draw the stroke quickly, the smoothing kicks in and straightens it. I'm pretty sure this is a normal side effect of the tech used to identify the grid coordinate of the stylus. But the wobbling was notably bad on the Huion. https://imgur.com/a/iPNZzrY https://imgur.com/a/iPNZzrY When I got a Wacom Intuos Pro PTH660 (Amazon renewed), the same test without smoothing showed a perfectly straight line, even when drawing quite slowly. I don't know why the Wacom is better. Maybe it's got a higher resolution grid for detecting the pen location. Or maybe it's just got better tuned drivers. It's also much easier to freehand accurate lines and ellipses on the Wacom. You generally can't trust the reviews of Wacom alternatives on YouTube. As reported by Aaron Rutten, most of the companies are not looking for fair and unbiased reviews: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twy5Wo8m284&t=337 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twy5Wo8m284&t=337
illuminated 6y ago
I am constantly amazed at what they are able to do with it. I was just a minute ago explaining to my younger daughter the concept of layers and the first thing she did with it was to separate an object to which she wanted to apply a special filter. Without even thinking about it.
- kitsunesoba 6y ago
  This takes me back to when I was 12 and discovered layers in Photoshop 6. Having always been frustrated with my drawings being all matted together in Paint/ClarisWorks/etc, layers blew my mind and hooked me on the concept of digital art. Layers are a great example of how simple tools can act as a multiplier for creativity and inspiration.
  - illuminated 6y ago
    I lost my PC graphics virginity with Corel DRAW (I don't remember the version). Man, it was so inspiring... I could never get used to Adobe Illustrator afterwards, it just did not seem logic after working with Corel Draw for years. They've recently published a revamped version with Mac compatibility and I bought it just for the sake of good old times, although I'm far from doing any graphic work anymore.
m4rtink 6y ago
This is basically Wacoms fault - they sat on their patents basically only producing expensive high end devices, preventing others from providing high volume basic but cheap devices. This was the most apparent in the LCD tablet are where until recently was just the high end Wacom made Cintiq that was insanely expensive and nothing else. I believe that we lost at least one generation of digital artists due to this - not everyone can be productive by a non-LCD tablet and even those have been overpriced. Thankfully with the main Wacom tablet patents finally gone, the situation seems to be finally recovering, with many new, mostly Chinese, LCD tablet makers and a lot of people using high end Android and Apple tablets for drawing (which are still much much cheaper than what Wacom used to want for a simple LCD tablet display or for what it sells its bulky mobile studio devices these days). But to this day, we can still see the technical dept caused by Wacom blocking a whole area of HID devices for ~20 years - drivers for non Wacom LCD drawing displays are still a mess and there is a lack of quality drawing software, especially on Android. So good to se Krita helping to address at least one of these issues. :)
- bitwize 6y ago
  There have been cheap tablets around for years, many of those work fine. I remember having a Kurta tablet in the late 90s that cost like $60 or so. For me the gating factor was Linux support: along that axis, there was Wacom (which had it), and everybody else (which didn't). These days, even though the kernel and X drivers are called "wacom", they support all manner of budget tablets under a variety of brand names (though you will want to check to see if a particular model is supported, and how well). LCD tablets are nice (albeit for a while it was cheaper to simply buy a tablet-based notebook computer than a Cintiq of equivalent size) -- but not having one doesn't prevent you from being proficient at digital art. Using a regular tablet is a great way to get started; the extra precision offered by an integrated LCD display extends your reach and productivity, it doesn't gate being able to produce at all.
  - m4rtink 6y ago
    From my experience using a non screen tablet makes the learning curve much steeper while a screen tablet feels much more natural due to people being used to seeing what they are drawing from writing and drawing on paper. I have seen this one some festivals where they set up a couple Wacom LCD tablet devices for people to draw on - there was a lot of interest and basically everyone was able to start drawing in a couple minutes. Seeing what you are drawing on the screen and not in front of you basically throws all the muscle memory people have from paper drawing and writing out of the window.

hellozee 6y ago

<3, do check this out, https://krita-artists.org/c/artwork/5/l/top https://krita-artists.org/c/artwork/5/l/top

illuminated 6y ago
Thanks for the link, looks great!

renewiltord 6y ago

Does the pressure sensitivity work well for you in Krita?