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This is horrible, what a breach of trust. I used TB to stealthily interview for jobs, had a good experience. Recommended them to others. Now I see that if I had

This is horrible, what a breach of trust. I used TB to stealthily interview for jobs, had a good experience. Recommended them to others. Now I see that if I hadn't seen this post, I wouldn't have known about this and those details would have been public, which had the potential to seriously undermine me at my current position. I'll opt out tomorrow, but according to others it sounds like the visibility link was somewhat hidden. At least with this they're well on the way to becoming the next LinkedIn, at least by their practices. What a dark pattern.

judge2020 6y ago
> if I hadn't seen this post, I wouldn't have known about this To be fair they sent an email to everyone who had signed up; I received the same email.
- ganstyles 6y ago
  My problem with this is the automatic opt in, using my profile and details for more than I intended for them to use it for (regardless of whether I technically signed something staying they _could_ do this, it is borderline unethical to use my information for this purpose), only having a week to "opt out", and not knowing what opt out even does. Sending an email to everyone doesn't cure any of these points.
  - wolfgang42 6y ago
    Not to mention that the only reference to needing to opt-out is a veiled mention buried in the second paragraph. I skimmed the email briefly, said “oh that’s neat, what a great idea” and filed it under “things for the next job hunt” thinking I’d turn on my profile then.
    - mhdhn 6y ago
      The link in the email did not work for me: it sent me to my profile, where I was presumably to be able to opt out of sharing my info publicly. But I could not see any way from there. Maybe I'm blind. As usual, googling worked better to find something on the site than using the site itself. Googled: triplebyte opt out -- that linked me to the right place. https://triplebyte.com/privacy-center https://triplebyte.com/privacy-center
- akiselev 6y ago
  If we're going to be fair, we have to acknowledge the history of email over the last thirty years: spam, spam filters, and the "Mark as Spam" button. Email is what I use to notify my customers of a 25% sale, not to tell them that I'm going to plaster their data all over the internet in violation of the spirit of the service I'm providing. I use regular mail for that.
  - judge2020 6y ago
    I'm very much only addressing the small string of text I quoted; I agree it should have been opt-in since many people don't check their email diligently.
  - esoterica 6y ago
    I’m not sure using snail mail as the default venue for important information is really the smart play here. I check my mailbox a lot less often then I check my inbox and I don’t even open 99% of the mail I get since I assume it’s just junk. I’m a lot more likely to miss whatever you sent me if you had sent it by post than if you had just sent an email like a normal 21st century organization.
- brokensegue 6y ago
  who reads those emails?
  - metaphor 6y ago
    Precisely why this dark pattern is so common.
ammon 6y ago
Your Triplebyte profile will NOT contain any data/details about you or your job search that will undermine you at your current employer. We should have included a screenshot and more details in the email. I'll talk to my team about following up with more details tomorrow. We are talking about a lightweight profile, like your Stack Overflow or HN profile, to provide us the canvas to release badges. That's it.
- itronitron 6y ago
  >> The new profiles will be launching publicly in 1 week. You are literally taking private data and making it public without consent.
- travisjungroth 6y ago
  If someone goes from not having a profile to having one, you know they’re job hunting. It’s like saying “Your Tinder profile will NOT contain any data/details about you or your dating search that will undermine you in your current relationship.”
  - jwilber 6y ago
    Exactly. This is basically like the workplace equivalent to the Ashley Madison scandal, only pre-planned.
  - pmiller2 6y ago
    That's a false equivalence. You're talking about a business relationship versus an intimate personal relationship context.
    - travisjungroth 6y ago
      My point is that just having the profile is data. He can’t predict what impact making this data public will have.
      - pmiller2 6y ago
grizzles 6y ago
It looks like emailing candidate.support@triplebyte.com is the only way to delete your account.
- mkagenius 6y ago
  > candidate.support@triplebyte.com Did they purposefully go out of the way to make this email address unguessable/non-standard/multi-word
  - ORioN63 6y ago
    support@triplebyte.com is probably for clients. Source: Candidate, has a very specific marketing meaning, of you being the product.
    - josephg 6y ago
      There’s a lot of things to dislike about triplebyte’s behaviour here, but this particular criticism isn’t fair. I’ve worked at 3 different companies in the hiring space across two continents and “candidate” is the internal term they all ended up using internally for people seeking jobs. “Applicant” is too vague and “job seeker” is long and hard to scan (and it’s too similar at a glance to “job”, which is also not often used). If “candidate” has bad connotations for you, I’d love to hear a better suggestion. But I still haven’t seen a more appropriate name for my database table. Company / candidate / role / resume / profile / interview / offer. These are the terms almost everyone uses.
      - mkagenius 6y ago
        Not sure we are talking about database tables here. A user friendly email looks like help@xyz.com or support@xyz.com, not candidate.serialize.json@xyz.com
      - cactus2093 6y ago
        I don't think the parent comment was complaining about the nomenclature. I interpreted it as pointing out that in any hiring activity, the candidate/applicant/whatever is the product. A company pays a recruiting service in exchange for hiring a candidate. (Of course, the candidate also receives value because presumably they are looking for a job and get one in this transaction. But the whole "you are the product" trope always ignores the fact that the "product" person is receiving value in the transaction).

judge2020 6y ago

> if I hadn't seen this post, I wouldn't have known about this To be fair they sent an email to everyone who had signed up; I received the same email.

ganstyles 6y ago
My problem with this is the automatic opt in, using my profile and details for more than I intended for them to use it for (regardless of whether I technically signed something staying they _could_ do this, it is borderline unethical to use my information for this purpose), only having a week to "opt out", and not knowing what opt out even does. Sending an email to everyone doesn't cure any of these points.
- wolfgang42 6y ago
  Not to mention that the only reference to needing to opt-out is a veiled mention buried in the second paragraph. I skimmed the email briefly, said “oh that’s neat, what a great idea” and filed it under “things for the next job hunt” thinking I’d turn on my profile then.
  - mhdhn 6y ago
    The link in the email did not work for me: it sent me to my profile, where I was presumably to be able to opt out of sharing my info publicly. But I could not see any way from there. Maybe I'm blind. As usual, googling worked better to find something on the site than using the site itself. Googled: triplebyte opt out -- that linked me to the right place. https://triplebyte.com/privacy-center https://triplebyte.com/privacy-center
akiselev 6y ago
If we're going to be fair, we have to acknowledge the history of email over the last thirty years: spam, spam filters, and the "Mark as Spam" button. Email is what I use to notify my customers of a 25% sale, not to tell them that I'm going to plaster their data all over the internet in violation of the spirit of the service I'm providing. I use regular mail for that.
- judge2020 6y ago
  I'm very much only addressing the small string of text I quoted; I agree it should have been opt-in since many people don't check their email diligently.
- esoterica 6y ago
  I’m not sure using snail mail as the default venue for important information is really the smart play here. I check my mailbox a lot less often then I check my inbox and I don’t even open 99% of the mail I get since I assume it’s just junk. I’m a lot more likely to miss whatever you sent me if you had sent it by post than if you had just sent an email like a normal 21st century organization.
brokensegue 6y ago
who reads those emails?
- metaphor 6y ago
  Precisely why this dark pattern is so common.

ammon 6y ago

Your Triplebyte profile will NOT contain any data/details about you or your job search that will undermine you at your current employer. We should have included a screenshot and more details in the email. I'll talk to my team about following up with more details tomorrow. We are talking about a lightweight profile, like your Stack Overflow or HN profile, to provide us the canvas to release badges. That's it.

itronitron 6y ago
>> The new profiles will be launching publicly in 1 week. You are literally taking private data and making it public without consent.
travisjungroth 6y ago
If someone goes from not having a profile to having one, you know they’re job hunting. It’s like saying “Your Tinder profile will NOT contain any data/details about you or your dating search that will undermine you in your current relationship.”
- jwilber 6y ago
  Exactly. This is basically like the workplace equivalent to the Ashley Madison scandal, only pre-planned.
- pmiller2 6y ago
  That's a false equivalence. You're talking about a business relationship versus an intimate personal relationship context.
  - travisjungroth 6y ago
    My point is that just having the profile is data. He can’t predict what impact making this data public will have.
    - pmiller2 6y ago

grizzles 6y ago

It looks like emailing candidate.support@triplebyte.com is the only way to delete your account.

mkagenius 6y ago
> candidate.support@triplebyte.com Did they purposefully go out of the way to make this email address unguessable/non-standard/multi-word
- ORioN63 6y ago
  support@triplebyte.com is probably for clients. Source: Candidate, has a very specific marketing meaning, of you being the product.
  - josephg 6y ago
    There’s a lot of things to dislike about triplebyte’s behaviour here, but this particular criticism isn’t fair. I’ve worked at 3 different companies in the hiring space across two continents and “candidate” is the internal term they all ended up using internally for people seeking jobs. “Applicant” is too vague and “job seeker” is long and hard to scan (and it’s too similar at a glance to “job”, which is also not often used). If “candidate” has bad connotations for you, I’d love to hear a better suggestion. But I still haven’t seen a more appropriate name for my database table. Company / candidate / role / resume / profile / interview / offer. These are the terms almost everyone uses.
    - mkagenius 6y ago
      Not sure we are talking about database tables here. A user friendly email looks like help@xyz.com or support@xyz.com, not candidate.serialize.json@xyz.com
    - cactus2093 6y ago
      I don't think the parent comment was complaining about the nomenclature. I interpreted it as pointing out that in any hiring activity, the candidate/applicant/whatever is the product. A company pays a recruiting service in exchange for hiring a candidate. (Of course, the candidate also receives value because presumably they are looking for a job and get one in this transaction. But the whole "you are the product" trope always ignores the fact that the "product" person is receiving value in the transaction).